Maybe it will emerge from the misty shroud as an LSA RV-4...
DJ
cause the complete lack of sharing any of the development of this new Kit Prototype is getting frustrating.
DJ
Received this response from Ken Scott to my inquiry to Vans about status of kit prototype.
Harold: just as soon as we have something concrete to report. Right now most of our effort is going into structural tests, which take a lot of time to set up and conduct. When those are done and we've learned what we need to know, the prototype should go together very quickly. But there's no point in building it until the tests are complete.
If the kit prototype isn't even assembled I doubt we will be seeing any RV-12 kits in 2007. But if we *do* see a flying prototype this year, what does that imply about assembly times for the kit?
Jim
Greetings,
Has anyone heard how close the kit prototype is to flying?
Thanks,
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One unpleasant effect of the dollar being down so much against the rest of the world's currency is that the Rotax 912s that the 12 is intended to use is up $5000 in price since the summer. That's a bummer. I sent an email to Van's asking if they had any luck negotiating better prices on the 912 but did not receive a response from them
Dave
RV6
I hadn't considered this angle. A 5K increase in price would put the Rotax in the $20,000 price range, which is Lycoming territory. Jim
Aircraft EngineJabiru 3300cc 120hpDisplacement3300 cc (202cu.in.) Bore97.5 mm (3.838") Stroke74 mm (2.913") Compression Ratio 8:1Directional Rotation of Prop Shaft Clockwise - Pilot's view Tractor applications Ramp Weight 178 lbs (81kg) complete including exhaust, carburetor, starter motor, alternator and ignition systemIgnition Timing 25˚ BTDC fixed timing Firing order 1 - 4 - 5 - 2 - 3 - 6Power Rating 107 hp @ 2750 rpm continuous, 120 hp @ 3300 rpm intermittent Fuel Consumption at 75% power* 26 l/hr (6.87 US gal/hr) FuelAVGAS 100LLOilAeroshell W100 or equivalentOil Capacity 3.51 (3.69 quarts)Spark Plugs NGK D9EA - Automotive
LSA rules don't mention supercharging.
Rule is "(6) A single reciprocating engine, if powered."
No turbines or rotaries.
I under what you are saying and the rule may be changed. However, in spite of the fact that EAA is "driving the Light-Sport train", We DARs must go by the FAA rules. And my 2008 FARs still state it like I quoted.sportpilot.org synopsis, they list it as "Single, reciprocating engine (if powered), including rotary or diesel engines".
I under what you are saying and the rule may be changed. However, in spite of the fact that EAA is "driving the Light-Sport train", We DARs must go by the FAA rules. And my 2008 FARs still state it like I quoted.
I under what you are saying and the rule may be changed. However, in spite of the fact that EAA is "driving the Light-Sport train", We DARs must go by the FAA rules. And my 2008 FARs still state it like I quoted.
I am a newbe to this group, but was surprised no one has commented on the updating info. from the factory site. At least its something.
John Bender
Am I missing something? I don't see the update on the site. Could someone please provide the link?
1 Can it be registered as an ELSA after 2-2008?
2 Will you be limited to using only the Rotax or whatever engine Van's selects?
I know the factory built SLSA's only allow approved equipment.
3 If you install a different engine, like a Corvair, can it be registered as an LSA or will it be an Experimental Built only?
If you buy the RV12 kit:
1 Can it be registered as an ELSA after 2-2008?
2 Will you be limited to using only the Rotax or whatever engine Van's selects?
I know the factory built SLSA's only allow approved equipment.
3 If you install a different engine, like a Corvair, can it be registered as an LSA or will it be an Experimental Built only?
I've asked "The Expert" at the EAA site twice and never got an answer.
Bob
If you buy the RV12 kit:
1 Can it be registered as an ELSA after 2-2008?
2 Will you be limited to using only the Rotax or whatever engine Van's selects?
I know the factory built SLSA's only allow approved equipment.
3 If you install a different engine, like a Corvair, can it be registered as an LSA or will it be an Experimental Built only?
I've asked "The Expert" at the EAA site twice and never got an answer.
Bob
A/ It will be experimental. Maybe experimental light-sport, maybe experimental amateur-built. You may or may not have repairman certificate.If I build an RV12 in 2010 will it be an:
A- Experimental Built and I have the repairman's certificate. A&P does annual
B- S-LSA and I can repair after 16 hour course. 'Only approved components'
C- E-LSA I can annual and use any motor, panel, Etc.
A/ It will be experimental. Maybe experimental light-sport, maybe experimental amateur-built. You may or may not have repairman certificate.
B/ It will NOT be S-LSA if you build it. 16 hour course is only for inspection, not maintenance.
C/ If it is E-LSA, you can do maintenance, not annual condition inspection unless you have the I-repairman certificate.
Way too many unknowns!
If I build an RV12 in 2010 will it be an:
A- Experimental Built and I have the repairman's certificate. A&P does annual
B- S-LSA and I can repair after 16 hour course. 'Only approved components'
C- E-LSA I can annual and use any motor, panel, Etc.
Bob, I'm afraid your assumptions are in error. None of the choices are valid as written, with the exception that an ExAB builder with a repairman certificate could hire an A&P if desired - not necessary.
A. If you build any RV kitplane as it stands today, choose ExAB. If you have the repairman's certificate, you would not need to involve an A&P except for advice and consultation at your option. And you don't need any additional training to perform the condition inspection (called an annual inspection in the world of certified airplanes but not for kitplanes)
B. You may NOT perform repairs on an S-LSA after a 16-hour course. The 16-hour course only applies to E-LSA, and it's not for repairs, it's for condition inspections.
C. You may legally perform repairs on your ExAB or E-LSA airplane with no training or certification whatsoever. You may choose major components for ExAB. You may not choose major components for anything with LSA in the title. You may perform the "annual" condition inspection for ExAB if you have the repairman's certificate. You may perform the "annual" condition inspection for E-LSA if you pass the proper 16-hour course. Regardless, Van's has not built an S-LSA and until they do, E-LSA version will not be available.
Chase Snodgrass
Presidio, TX
http://flybigbend.com
Bob,I think the RV12 is going to be another Expermental that can be flown by a Light Sport Pilot, but I hope I'm wrong.
I couldn't understand what the big deal was either, but the one thing they stated was the value of a plane registered ELSA was worth $30,000 more than one that is Experimental. I'm just trying to find out how that could be possible.
(snip)
BTW... I doubt that an E-LSA RV-12 could sell for $30K more than an E-A one. Maybe two or three thousand more, if you are dealing with someone who doesn't want to find an A&P one time each year.
What about market size? Anyone (Rec Pilots and Private Pilots) can fly an E-LSA RV-12, but only Private Pilots can fly the ExAB version. Thus, the market for the E-LSA is conceivably larger.
--Bill