Don,
Are you flying IFR with the 625 only? I'm still a little on the fence about IFR with GPS only, but I'm coming around. I guess I'm so old I can't give up completely on VOR/ILS. I'd love hearing from you re your decision.
Robert
RV7
Edit: another consideration, with just a WAAS GPS for navigation, you cannot take your ifr practical test, nor an IPC (although I have a work-around for this) in this airplane.
I received a PM about this, but I think it's of general interest to ifr pilots. It used to be that IPC's content was left to the cfii. Then the FAA added an IPC column to the PTS tasks list. CFIIs pointed out that the PTS was a non-regulatory advisory circular which they didn't have to follow. So the FAA changed FAR 61.57(d) to specifically reference the PTS. This is another example (ifr gps being another) of the trend to put information in non-regulatory publications, then reference the publication in the FARs, making the information "regulatory by reference".
So yes, for an IPC, 3 different types of approaches need to be demonstrated.
So if we understand the rules correctly, (with respect to our RV-XX)... if you are IFR current and stay that way... you won't be doing an IPC and therefore GPS WAAS is good enough for IFR because you don't need NAV to enable the non-gps types of approaches to accomplish the IPC... GPS WAAS (for IFR) will be all that you need moving forward?
Thanx
Victor
This is correct.
Self-serving side note: There is a very real difference between being legally current (maybe 6 approaches to a 900' ceiling and good visibility in the last 6 months) and being actually proficient (say, a no-radar partial panel approach to 200' agl and then landing in 1/2 mile vis). Some pilots confuse the two.
I received a PM about this, but I think it's of general interest to ifr pilots. It used to be that IPC's content was left to the cfii. Then the FAA added an IPC column to the PTS tasks list. CFIIs pointed out that the PTS was a non-regulatory advisory circular which they didn't have to follow. So the FAA changed FAR 61.57(d) to specifically reference the PTS. This is another example (ifr gps being another) of the trend to put information in non-regulatory publications, then reference the publication in the FARs, making the information "regulatory by reference".
So yes, for an IPC, 3 different types of approaches need to be demonstrated.
OK, how about: LPV, LNAV/VNAV, and LNAV only?
I'll bet you $50 that your airplane is not equipped to do a LNAV/VNAV approach.
Hmmmm...my Garmin GNS430W manual says it will...p. 85 and p. 113 of the Pilot's Guide.
I'll bet you $50 that your airplane is not equipped to do a LNAV/VNAV approach.
I received a PM about this ... for an IPC, 3 different types of approaches need to be demonstrated.
It would seem the text is clear that two non-precision approaches and one precision approach may be demonstrated with an IFR GPS equipped airplane.
" ... performance of two of the following nonprecision approaches: very high frequency omnidirectional range (VOR), nondirectional beacon (NDB), global positioning system (GPS) without vertical guidance, localizer (LOC), localizer-type directional aid (LDA), simplified directional facility (SDF), or area navigation (RNAV) and one precision approach: instrument landing system (ILS), GNSS landing system (GLS), localizer performance with vertical guidance (LPV) or microwave landing system (MLS). GPS equipment must be instrument flight rules (IFR) certified and contain the current database."
It would seem the text is clear that two non-precision approaches and one precision approach may be demonstrated with an IFR GPS equipped airplane.
" ... performance of two of the following nonprecision approaches: very high frequency omnidirectional range (VOR), nondirectional beacon (NDB), global positioning system (GPS) without vertical guidance, localizer (LOC), localizer-type directional aid (LDA), simplified directional facility (SDF), or area navigation (RNAV) and one precision approach: instrument landing system (ILS), GNSS landing system (GLS), localizer performance with vertical guidance (LPV) or microwave landing system (MLS). GPS equipment must be instrument flight rules (IFR) certified and contain the current database."
The RNAV they are talking about there is the pre-GPS RNAV which is DME/VOR or INS based.
the GPS (RNAV) is the non- precision approach... the LPV is the precision approach... What would be considered a third acceptable approach?? Isn't the GPS/RNAV approach the same?
Okay, if you need to do 3 approaches for the PTS or IPC, and you only have a WAAS IFR approved GPS with current database and NO Nav or other radio navigation equipment... the GPS (RNAV) is the non- precision approach... the LPV is the precision approach... What would be considered a third acceptable approach?? Isn't the GPS/RNAV approach the same? Can you give examples (approach plates) that may show more than 1 acceptable type of non-precision approach that the FAA has ruled is acceptable for a PTS/IPC?
Thanx
Victor
(Emphasis added)The applicant must accomplish at least two nonprecision approaches ... If the equipment allows, at least one nonprecision approach shall be conducted without vertical guidance. The examiner will select nonprecision approaches that are representative of the type that the applicant is likely to use. The choices must utilize two different types of navigational aids. Some examples of navigational aids for the purpose of this part are: NDB, VOR, LOC, LDA, SDF, GPS, or RNAV (including LNAV/VNAV and RNP-AR).
I was not my intent to detail this thread. It appears my digression has been one where, short of the judicial review, there are just too many variables of interpretation for a layperson like me to make a clear determination. Ultimately it is the FAA and not a pilot who has the final word on what is accepted.
if you have limited equipment installed ... discuss your airplane's equipment before committing to the ride in order to avoid any expensive surprises.
I don't know what is the definition of "limited equipment". I haven't flown an NDB in 20 years and I never flew with Loran. My local airport has had the ILS out of service so long the FAA dropped the NOTAM.
In the context of this thread I meant an IFR GPS navigator with no other type of Nav radio to support a checkride or IPC IAW the PTS.