I had 70 hours on my engine when I called about my group "B" cylinder and was given an RMA number to have it replaced with a new cylinder. I gave them my credit card number so they could ship out the new cylinder before receiving the old one. They will credit my card when they receive the bad one.Just curious as to how many out here are affected by the ECI cylinder AD? If you have ECI cylinders, you need to check on it. Apparently ECI wants to dismantle and rework the cylinders rather than replace them. This may get interesting.
Ned Rose
42TD
My brand new $26K+ engine was hit the first time around. The engine hadn't even been installed yet in my plane and I had to pay an additional $1,200 to have the 4 cylinders replaced. ECI did provide new cylinders but I had to pay the labor and shipping back to the original powerplant builder. I spoke to Glen? (President) at ECI and he would not cover either the shipping or the labor to replace the cylinders.
I work for a Japanese car manufacturer, and I don't think I could get away with selling you a brand new $26,000 car and on the day you pick it up, I tell you that it will have to be sent back to the factory and repaired, oh, and it's going to cost you another $1,200 bucks!
I think they should have paid for all of it. The engine was still in the crate and these things aren't cheap to begin with. Just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Jon Dembs
Cozy MKIV
Don in part said..With the ECI issue, we have to look at it this way: If ECI paid for everything -- shipping, labor to pull the jugs and replace them, etc. -- and went BANKRUPT, we'd get nothing. By everybody taking some of the hit, ECI can (hopefully) keep from going under and we don't lose completely. It sucks, to be sure, but sometimes a compromise is in everyone's best interest.
What I don't understand is ...... why people are replacing Group B cylinder that pass the visual inspection and compression test that have a lot less then 350 hours.
I've got 130 hrs on my group B cylinders. Why not continue to use them for another 150 - 200 hours and then replace them? My reading of the SB (paragraph C) is that if I pass the initial inspection, I only need to replace them before exceeding 350 hrs.
According to the SB
(B) Replace the cylinder assembly within the next 25 operating hours TIS after the effective date of this AD if the cylinder assembly has 350 or more operating hours TIS on the effective date of this AD.
(C) Replace cylinder assemblies that pass the initial visual inspections and compression tests, before exceeding 350 operating hours TIS after the effective date of this AD.
When the first cylinder recall happened ECI gave me 8/02-12/05 as the date range of Group A. I checked the S/Ns and the start number of Group A hasn't changed. So, if you've got something from prior to 3/02 you're in good shape (so far).
Bob
RV-10 N442PM (flying)
Hi Mitch
Ed took my cylinders off first week in Jan and last time I checked in with ECI I am looking at beginning of April before I get mine back
I had them send me a new cylinder and put it on my credit card. Had it in a week and a half. Returned my Group B cylinder, after installing the new one, and got a full credit on my card. Simple with no hassle. Plane was down for less than a week.We are coming up on 2 months since I sent my "B" cylinder in...Promises of shipping dates etc made and broken....Status of reworked or new replacement unclear....What is clear, there is no standard customer oriented program in place to facilitate an orderly replacement of your cylinders...
I had them send me a new cylinder and put it on my credit card. Had it in a week and a half. Returned my Group B cylinder, after installing the new one, and got a full credit on my card. Simple with no hassle. Plane was down for less than a week.
Steve, When did this happen? That was ECI"S plan at the start, but I don't think that they are doing that any more.
I applied for my RMA # January 4th, right after the SB came out. My engine only had 70 hours on it at the time and they gave me a new cylinder under the warranty. I went ahead and prepaid the new cylinder so I could get the replacement in my hands as soon as possible and to minimize the down time. I have since returned the cylinder I removed and my credit card has been credited with the full purchase price of the cylinder.Steve, When did this happen? That was ECI"S plan at the start, but I don't think that they are doing that any more.
Hi guys,
I sent a email to JB at ECI today and found out that 2 of my cylinders are in assembly now and should be back to me in a week or two, they also found indications of slight cracks in the other 2 cylinders and are giving me 2 new cylinders!
SO hopefully I will be back in the air in a couple weeks YAY!!!
Called ECI today. Told them I couldn't live with the 50 hour inspections. I realize that my cylinders, although they only have 170 hours on them, are out of warranty. Asked about the AMOC, and was told it is not yet approved.
The best solution they offered was 25% off new cylinders. Sounds like different people are getting different deals.
Called ECI today. Told them I couldn't live with the 50 hour inspections. I realize that my cylinders, although they only have 170 hours on them, are out of warranty. Asked about the AMOC, and was told it is not yet approved.
The best solution they offered was 25% off new cylinders. Sounds like different people are getting different deals.
Consider yourself lucky for getting 27% off. I just talked to JB about my four group A cylinders. He said there was no deals being offered at the present time. No rework, no replacement, no discount of any kind. This translates to literally no relief from the AD. Correction....I can pay full retail to replace my low-time cylinders to solve the AD problem. Thanks ECI!!I had 161 hours on my cylinders. They also offered 25% off, I asked that they try to do better, they came back with 27% off ! I wanted new versus rebuilt cylinders, so I wrote the check.
Regards,