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jcarne

jcarne

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Well as some may know I got my CFI back in June. I have been instructing in my local flight clubs PA-28s and loving it! Just passed my CFI-Instrument in the RV, pretty much an instrument checkride that you teach your way through, probably the easiest flying portion of any checkride to date but it was fun!!!

But that's not why I'm posting this. I just wanted to remind everyone don't be afraid to take on that new rating or certificate, these RVs that we are building are great for any checkride you could set your goals to (except multi of course :ROFLMAO: ).

This awesome RV that I built I have been fortunate enough to have now passed my instrument (thanks Doug for your writeup and motivation), commercial, CFI-Initial, and now CFI-Instrument.

So let's get out there and take on that new rating you always wanted!

P.S. your insurance rates will thank you too. haha
 

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koupster said:
Jereme,

Congratulations.
Doing any instruction in the RV?
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Thanks guys!

Wish I was sir, one day I may look into it but insurance is holding me back. Would absolutely love to someday though! I live in one of most flyable airports around too!
 
jcarne said:
Thanks guys!

Wish I was sir, one day I may look into it but insurance is holding me back. Would absolutely love to someday though! I live in one of most flyable airports around too!
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Be careful. Yes insurance for instruction to others is expensive. But in addition, instruction for hire in your RV violates the ‘not for compensation or hire’ clause in your Op Limits. And no, you cannot claim the plane is free but you charge $300/hr for instruction. The faa is on to that sham. There is one waiver (“LODA”) available, but it is very restrictive. With that LODA (6 pages of paperwork, from your fsdo) you may instruct in your RV, for hire, but may offer transition training only, and only to those with a bona fide need. Nothing else (Flight Review, instrument currency, etc) may be signed off, even if it was part of the transition training. But as you said, insurance for this is expensive, and only a few high-volume guys are active in this.
 
BobTurner said:
Be careful. Yes insurance for instruction to others is expensive. But in addition, instruction for hire in your RV violates the ‘not for compensation or hire’ clause in your Op Limits. And no, you cannot claim the plane is free but you charge $300/hr for instruction. The faa is on to that sham. There is one waiver (“LODA”) available, but it is very restrictive. With that LODA (6 pages of paperwork, from your fsdo) you may instruct in your RV, for hire, but may offer transition training only, and only to those with a bona fide need. Nothing else (Flight Review, instrument currency, etc) may be signed off, even if it was part of the transition training. But as you said, insurance for this is expensive, and only a few high-volume guys are active in this.
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Absolutely correct Bob, should have clarified that I would like to instruct in it for transition training. I think there is money to be made and people to help in that arena, but insurance sure is up there for it! I have been sent multiple PMs (probably like yourself) asking if I do transition training. I direct them to Chris Droege in Idaho. Sure would have fun doing it though.
 
However, you can instruct instruments to pilots in their own RV. That’s how I got my instrument and commercial tickets: With the CFI(I) flying with me in my own airplane.
 
scrollF4 said:
However, you can instruct instruments to pilots in their own RV. That’s how I got my instrument and commercial tickets: With the CFI(I) flying with me in my own airplane.
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Yes sir, that is always on my mind too, just wish there were guys with RVs around here! haha Very very few
 
I occasionally teach the Expanded Envelope Exercises® in my RV-9A and/or in whatever plane they bring. It's all free except the ground instruction, and they buy lunch.
 
flightlogic said:
I did biennial flight reviews in RV aircraft with owners... Completely FREE. It was fun and you always learn something. And maybe teach a thing or two. (I bought my own lunch too)
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Thread drift, but if I might ask: How would one find instructors willing to do this? The flight schools I have talked to insist on using their planes, which is not a huge deal, but it would be great to do my next review (coming up soon) in an airplane I've spent the last 100 hours flight testing and getting intimately familiar with!
 
Draker said:
Thread drift, but if I might ask: How would one find instructors willing to do this? The flight schools I have talked to insist on using their planes, which is not a huge deal, but it would be great to do my next review (coming up soon) in an airplane I've spent the last 100 hours flight testing and getting intimately familiar with!
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I'd be happy to give a BFR to you in your plane. Not the free part, though! PM me for details.
To answer your question: Flight schools are in business to make money. Some of their profit is renting their airplanes. You need to find CFI's not affiliated with a flight school, who instruct because they enjoy it.
 
Draker said:
Thread drift, but if I might ask: How would one find instructors willing to do this? The flight schools I have talked to insist on using their planes, which is not a huge deal, but it would be great to do my next review (coming up soon) in an airplane I've spent the last 100 hours flight testing and getting intimately familiar with!
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Talk to enough guys in your RV community and ask if they know CFI's that will instruct in your plane. I never had one turn me down (or a DPE). I would offer to help you out but Bob is much closer to you! haha
 
Good post.

I plan to dinish my IFR training in my RV.
I will be looking for an instructor who knows the Garmin G3x system to teach in my plane.

I found out during my early IFR training that most of the effort is learning how to twist knobs and stuff, not really flying!
 
BobTurner said:
I'd be happy to give a BFR to you in your plane. Not the free part, though! PM me for details.
To answer your question: Flight schools are in business to make money. Some of their profit is renting their airplanes. You need to find CFI's not affiliated with a flight school, who instruct because they enjoy it.
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Thanks, Bob, I was not expecting such a direct answer to my question, but I will PM you and probably take you up on this.
 
PilotjohnS said:
Good post.

I plan to dinish my IFR training in my RV.
I will be looking for an instructor who knows the Garmin G3x system to teach in my plane.

I found out during my early IFR training that most of the effort is learning how to twist knobs and stuff, not really flying!
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Great plan John! Just be aware the G3X will be used in the IFR environment but your TSO 146 unit will get far more use! What did you end up going with? GTN-650? IFD-440?

On my Dynon I use it for autopilot function, setting bugs, and the instruments but a lot of the buttonology is with the GPS nav unit.
 
I have the GNX375 as a navigator. With the latest software revision, it automatically pushes flight planes back and forth between the G3x and the GNX, so I don't think there is much fiddling I need to do on the GNX itself, once I really learn the system.
 
PilotjohnS said:
I have the GNX375 as a navigator. With the latest software revision, it automatically pushes flight planes back and forth between the G3x and the GNX, so I don't think there is much fiddling I need to do on the GNX itself, once I really learn the system.
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It's a nice unit John. Our club plane has the 175 and I really like it so far.

Do you have a VOR as well? While the issue was fixed in 61.65 of flying different types of approaches the ACS is still not updated. You still need to two different navaids for the non-precision approaches. That being said you may be able to find a DPE that either overlooks it or doesn't know. But they are usually pretty on top of their game! haha
 

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It's a nice unit John. Our club plane has the 175 and I really like it so far.

Do you have a VOR as well? While the issue was fixed in 61.65 of flying different types of approaches the ACS is still not updated. You still need to two different navaids for the non-precision approaches. That being said you may be able to find a DPE that either overlooks it or doesn't know. But they are usually pretty on top of their game! haha
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I have a gnc255 as com/nav 2.
Funny thing, i had the VOR in the plane since start of phase 1, but just last week, after 140 hours, just started using it in prep for IFR training
 
PilotjohnS said:
I have a gnc255 as com/nav 2.
Funny thing, i had the VOR in the plane since start of phase 1, but just last week, after 140 hours, just started using it in prep for IFR training
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Heck ya! You are good to go! Personally I loved IFR training and still do, my favorite rating/cert. that I have got.
 
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