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Rivet call outs are for CS4-4 and AACQ4-4 for the canopy for my 8.

Both are countersunk and aluminum. Whats the difference?
 

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CS4-4 is Aluminum - @ least that what the mfg. (Stanley Tools) says …

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The CS4-4 out of a Vans bag is shown hanging on a magnet.
I removed the mandrel which appears to be steel but the body is aluminum.
AACQ4 from Vans below that both the mandrel and body are not magnetic
the CS4 weighs about 1 gram. The AACQ4 about 1/2 a gram.
 

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According to Avdel...

AACQ
Aluminum Head
Aluminum Mandrel
Countersunk
Q rivet, structural, self-plugging
 
According to Avdel...

AACQ
Aluminum Head
Aluminum Mandrel
Countersunk
Q rivet, structural, self-plugging
Don't let the Aluminum Mandrel put you off - it's 7178 Alloy, with a tensile yield strength of 78 ksi ...
 
CS4-4 is aluminum body / steel stem

AACQ4-4 is aluminum body and stem
It has a much lower setting force/tension which is why they are used when riveting through the canopy (when set with a hand tool the difference is quite noticeable).
 
Thank you for the clarification Scott snd now I know the why behind the what to use.
 
Bay Supply lists the full specifications on their site:

CS4 (GSMC42-44) : https://www.baysupply.com/products/gsmc42-44apg-gesipa
AACQ-44 (AACQ-04-04) : https://www.baysupply.com/products/aacq-04-04-avdel

CS4 vs AAPQ44:
Maximum Grip, Diameter, and Countersink Angle: Same ( 0.250", 0.125", 120 deg)
Minimum Grip: 0.063" vs 0.126" (CS4 can grip 0.062" thinner)
Shear Strength: 155 lb vs 225 lb (AACQ is 70 lb or 45% stronger)
Tensile Strength: 205 lb vs 250 lb (AACQ is 45 lb or 22% stronger)

Summary:
The AACQ has an aluminum mandrel instead of steel, but it is a locking mandrel which actually results in a stronger rivet.
The CS4 is a multi-grip rivet, allowing it to be used in a wider range of grips than the AAPQ rivet.