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Old 08-14-2012, 10:56 AM
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Default Parachutes - Why?

Quiet day at the office - and for some reason I realized there hasn't been a food fight on VAF for a while. So here goes:

I have 230 hours on my -8A and have pretty much explored the whole flight envelope, including spins. I have found that I have to forcefully hold the plane into stalls and spins. As soon as I let go, it instantly recovers. I do not wear a parachute.

Question / Request for Opinions: Since the RV exibits such great stability and superb flying qualities, and no one (or rumor has it, maybe one guy) has jumped out of an airborne RV, why do folks go to the expense and trouble of using parachutes? With a slider canopy and the trouble one would have opening / jettisoning in flight, seems like the bail out procedures would more than likely just be something to keep you occupied until you died.

Not trying to be a wise guy, but inquiring minds would like to know.

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Old 08-14-2012, 11:07 AM
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and no one (or rumor has it, maybe one guy) has jumped out of an airborne RV, why do folks go to the expense and trouble of using parachutes?
It's not a rumor -- it's a fact. RV-8 was on fire and his best option at the time was to jump without a chute. The man's son was at least at one time a member here on VAF so we should be sensitive on this issue.

Sean Tucker bailed out after breaking an elevator control. I think the time chutes are most appreciated is when something *breaks*, not when the airplane is put into an unrecoverable situation.

Great topic, BTW!
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:30 AM
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I am building an RV7 Tip up. Is there even a way to jump out of an RV7 with a tip up?
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:31 AM
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Well, if you do intentional acro, with a passenger, FAR 91.307(c) says you have to have a chute.

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Old 08-14-2012, 11:57 AM
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Well, if you do intentional acro, FAR 91.307(c) says you have to have a chute.
Unless you are solo, in which case, it's up to you.

I wear a chute primarily for test flying an unproven airplane. I fly gentleman's acro almost every day, and don't take the chute with me for those kind of activites.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:16 PM
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I understand the FAR's, just wondering if you can even get out of an Rv-7 or 6 with the tip up canopy. If it is not even possible, then I wonder if there is a way to get the FAR requirement waived.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:29 PM
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I understand the FAR's, just wondering if you can even get out of an Rv-7 or 6 with the tip up canopy. If it is not even possible, then I wonder if there is a way to get the FAR requirement waived.
If you build it with the jettison pins and handle, I think that the Tip-up is probably the MOST likely of all the RV's to get out of (with the exception of the -4 and -3 tip-overs I guess) - once the leading edge is loose and up in the breeze, I am pretty sure the canopy is going to depart.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:29 PM
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So are people using chutes as standard eqiupment?

Are they sit on? Or hang on your back?

Guess they're not comfortable as seat cushions.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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........(with the exception of the -4 and -3 tip-overs I guess) - once the leading edge is loose and up in the breeze, I am pretty sure the canopy is going to depart.
Paul, I know a guy from Georgia who's -4 canopy departed cleanly, but denting the fin in the process. He'd forgotten to latch it properly. I got the story after asking him what had happened to dent the fin at a fly-in.

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Old 08-14-2012, 03:13 PM
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My tip-up canopy was built IAW the plans before the "struts" era. I have all the confidence in the world that I can jettison my canopy if the need arises. Hopefully it will not!

If I had the struts, I would remove them anytime I wear a chute. The struts would probably break, but the canopy might do considerable damage to your head in the process.
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