VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Model Specific > RV-7/7A
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Brantel's Avatar
Brantel Brantel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,451
Default RV-7 Tipups...Getting in and out easier?

Up until I moved my craft to the hangar, I always either had the tail up on something, had the canopy removed and or did not have the wings on.

Now that the wings are on, the tail is on the ground and the canopy is on, I find that on the taildragger, the canopy does not open far enough to make it easy to get in and out without putting some serious weight on the roll bar since the person getting in and out is off balance.

Has anyone noticed this but me? Anyone got any ideas to make this better?

It would be nice if the struts would allow the canopy to go more vertical but this would mean different struts and or anchor points that start getting in the way.

Is there such a thing as a telescoping strut with the same load capability?

????
__________________
Brantel (Brian Chesteen),
Check out my RV-10 builder's BLOG
RV-10, #41942, N?????, Working on Emp/Tail Cone
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RV-7/TU, #72823, N159SB
Lyc. O-360 carbed, HARTZELL BA CS Prop, Dual P-MAGs, Dual Garmin G3X Touch
Track N159SB (KK4LIF)
Like EAA Chapter 1494 on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-24-2009, 01:50 PM
sprucemoose's Avatar
sprucemoose sprucemoose is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: MKE
Posts: 1,517
Default

Getting in and out does require leaning on the rollbar. The rollbar is a pretty beefy structure; it can take the weight of the airplane upside down, so it can certainly handle a person leaning against it.

If you are trying to get in and out without putting any pressure on the rollbar, that would be pretty difficult, but it isn't neccesary.
__________________
Jeff Point
RV-6, RLU-1 built & flying
Tech Counselor, Flight Advisor & President, EAA Chapter 18
Milwaukee
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:00 PM
LettersFromFlyoverCountry's Avatar
LettersFromFlyoverCountry LettersFromFlyoverCountry is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: St. Paul, MN.
Posts: 4,733
Default

I don't think the rollbar would be a problem. I think the problem would be if there's significant weight on that crosspiece below it (behind the seatbacks). One of the things I learned when Tom Berge looked over my project this summer is that doing so will bend the vertical piece -- the aft portion of the flag mechanism enclosure. And that makes sense. There ain't a lot of beef in that piece but getting out is where I think things get problematic. You don't want to put weight on that and obviously you don't on the armrest, either.
__________________
Bob Collins
St. Paul, MN.
Blog: Letters From Flyover Country
RV-12iS finishing kit (still). About 600 hours in. Working on wheelpants.

Builder log
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:06 PM
Brantel's Avatar
Brantel Brantel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,451
Default

Bob,

If you have the flap box enclosed with the screws in the side covers, it would take a huge load to bend that seatback brace....

Now if you don't have the sides on or the diagonal brace, thats a different story.
__________________
Brantel (Brian Chesteen),
Check out my RV-10 builder's BLOG
RV-10, #41942, N?????, Working on Emp/Tail Cone
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RV-7/TU, #72823, N159SB
Lyc. O-360 carbed, HARTZELL BA CS Prop, Dual P-MAGs, Dual Garmin G3X Touch
Track N159SB (KK4LIF)
Like EAA Chapter 1494 on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:07 PM
JDRhodes JDRhodes is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Taylorsville, GA
Posts: 748
Default tipper problems - there is a solution!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel View Post

Has anyone noticed this but me? Anyone got any ideas to make this better?
OK - I'll be the guy that says it - A slider canopy eliminates this problem!

Actually, we have both in our hangar: a tipper -7 and a slider-9. You're right, the tipper canopy on the tailwheel gear does make it difficult. I like the slider better, for that - and other - reasons.
__________________
Jeff Rhodes - Taylorsville, GA
RV-9, 7 - going fast
BC-12D - going slow
jrhodes@v1salesmgt.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Brantel's Avatar
Brantel Brantel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,451
Default

I don't buy that one...I have more time in a slider 7 than a tip up. The slider has it's own set of problems....

Like, you cannot put any weight on the open canopy behind you.

You have to be carefull and not pull/push on the lip around the front windshield.

It does have complete openness once you get stood up in the seat though which helps some.

Its the lean on the TD's that cause the issue for me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JDRhodes View Post
OK - I'll be the guy that says it - A slider canopy eliminates this problem!

Actually, we have both in our hangar: a tipper -7 and a slider-9. You're right, the tipper canopy on the taiwheel gear does make it difficult. I like the slider better, for that - and other - reasons.
__________________
Brantel (Brian Chesteen),
Check out my RV-10 builder's BLOG
RV-10, #41942, N?????, Working on Emp/Tail Cone
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RV-7/TU, #72823, N159SB
Lyc. O-360 carbed, HARTZELL BA CS Prop, Dual P-MAGs, Dual Garmin G3X Touch
Track N159SB (KK4LIF)
Like EAA Chapter 1494 on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:12 PM
Don Jones's Avatar
Don Jones Don Jones is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Snohomish, Washington
Posts: 685
Default or.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDRhodes View Post
OK - I'll be the guy that says it - A slider canopy eliminates this problem!

Actually, we have both in our hangar: a tipper -7 and a slider-9. You're right, the tipper canopy on the tailwheel gear does make it difficult. I like the slider better, for that - and other - reasons.
.....a nosegear
__________________
Don Jones
Technical Support Manager
Dynon Avionics
CFI-IA, AGI, IGI
RV9-A
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:15 PM
Brantel's Avatar
Brantel Brantel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
Posts: 7,451
Default

But then I would rob myself of the pleasures of TD flying and those occasional moments of shear terror!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Jones View Post
.....a nosegear
__________________
Brantel (Brian Chesteen),
Check out my RV-10 builder's BLOG
RV-10, #41942, N?????, Working on Emp/Tail Cone
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RV-7/TU, #72823, N159SB
Lyc. O-360 carbed, HARTZELL BA CS Prop, Dual P-MAGs, Dual Garmin G3X Touch
Track N159SB (KK4LIF)
Like EAA Chapter 1494 on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Mel's Avatar
Mel Mel is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,397
Default

A big part of this particular problem is the struts themselves. I never liked them and never installed them. I also have removed them from several customer's airplanes.
The other problem with the struts is that they defeat the canopy jettison feature.
Never had a problem getting in and out, even at my age!
Wouldn't trade for all the sliders in the world; but that's just me.
__________________
Mel Asberry..DAR since last century
A&P/BGI/EAA (LifeTime) Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor/Nat'l Test Pilot School
Specializing in Amateur-Built and Light-Sport Aircraft
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
North Texas (8TA5)
RV-6 Flying since 1993, 172hp O-320, 3-Blade Catto (since 2003)Sold
Legend Cub purchased 12/2017
FRIEND of the RV-1
Eagle's Nest Mentor
Recipient of Wright Brothers "Master Pilot" Award
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-24-2009, 03:10 PM
JDRhodes JDRhodes is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Taylorsville, GA
Posts: 748
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Jones View Post
.....a nosegear
...or a Cessna. Hmmm - the world is full of comprimises!

I've never really been afraid of using the tipper rollover structure to assist in getting in / out. It's pretty stout.
__________________
Jeff Rhodes - Taylorsville, GA
RV-9, 7 - going fast
BC-12D - going slow
jrhodes@v1salesmgt.com
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:28 AM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.