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Old 10-06-2009, 12:53 PM
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Default MOA/Restricted Area Communications

OK, bonehead questions here:

(1)If one is on VFR flight following and the flight path will take you over an MOA, what type of interaction should be expected with the controller as the MOA is approached?

(2) Same question as above for a restricted area

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:02 PM
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Unless the controller needs to route you around or make you aware of traffic, not much. I had flight following from MSP crossing the MOA's near OSH this summer. Not a word from the controllers, but the MOA's were inactive.
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:12 PM
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I usually ask the question "is the area hot", you never know if the controller is busy with something else, and might miss your entry into the area.

If he/she gives the OK, well, then it is on tape.
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:17 PM
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This is the standard response by the controller when you request flight following and it means you are responsible for your own separation, they will advise you as they can depending on their workload. They are not providing you a clearance so you are not cleared into a restricted area unless you ask specifically and receive a clearance. The best thing you can do is talk to the controller about the MOA, if he can't tell you if it is active then he will be able to tell you who can. However, just because the MOA is active doesn't mean you can't be there - use your own judgement, I often travel through them but always contact the controlling authority and find out if it is active and if I enter I stay out of their way and still ask for flight following. Often the controller will let you know where the aircraft are at and be able to give you some guidance. (i.e. A-10's operating between 10 and 12 and will be staying South of ...) I rarely if ever ask for clearance through a restricted area. Some are not operational all the time though, so you can get clearances through them on a case by case basis.

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Old 10-06-2009, 01:30 PM
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Default MOA / Restricted Airspace

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This is the standard response by the controller when you request flight following and it means you are responsible for your own separation, they will advise you as they can depending on their workload. They are not providing you a clearance so you are not cleared into a restricted area unless you ask specifically and receive a clearance. The best thing you can do is talk to the controller about the MOA, if he can't tell you if it is active then he will be able to tell you who can. However, just because the MOA is active doesn't mean you can't be there - use your own judgement, I often travel through them but always contact the controlling authority and find out if it is active and if I enter I stay out of their way and still ask for flight following. Often the controller will let you know where the aircraft are at and be able to give you some guidance. (i.e. A-10's operating between 10 and 12 and will be staying South of ...) I rarely if ever ask for clearance through a restricted area. Some are not operational all the time though, so you can get clearances through them on a case by case basis.

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Stewart's reply is spot-on, and I would like to add that I always ask for clearance through restricted areas (especially since I'm surrounded by MOAs and Restricted airspace here near Edwards AFB-SoCAL). No harm in asking

On long cross country trips, I'll ask the current controller long before I get to a MOA / Restricted Airspace if the airspace is 'hot' so I can deviate sooner rather than later. If the controller is busy, I'll jump is with a quick "Is 2515 'hot'?" which always gets a quick reply.

Lastly, be sure to check the MOA altitude block as you will find the floor of the MOA may be above your current altitude Rosie
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:32 PM
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Since my home airport is within a MOA, I don't pay very much attention to them anymore. I still look for traffic, just as always, and the occasional sight of a flight of F-16's has the same element of caution as a flock of birds, or students in 172's... I don't want to hit any of them. So short answer: no clearance required for a MOA, hot or cold. But it is a fine idea to ask someone what is to be expected, just for peace of mind.

Restricted areas are another matter altogether. If on flight following, they will need to give you specific clearance to enter, if at all, and that clearance is often accompanied with a minimum altitude restriction. That said, I have been advised to remain clear, cleared above 6,000, or cleared straight through the Edwards AFB complex... It all depends on what is going on that day.
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:37 PM
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Default I live smack dab in the middle of one...

....and Atlanta won't give flight following if the MOA is hot. All of my spray work is in this one and I just go about my business every day and keep my eyes open, with their floor at 500'.
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:38 PM
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Ask the appropriate Center controller unless there is a controlling agency listed for the MOA and/or Rstricted area. These will be published in the margin of the sectional.

As others have said, it's optional for MOAs, but required for Restricted areas.

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Old 10-07-2009, 09:59 AM
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I've also found this site useful to see the various sections of airspace and their current status.

http://www.seeandavoid.org/

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Old 10-07-2009, 12:09 PM
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Default Seriously?

I have 2 MOAs smack in the middle of my Phase I test area. Because of some weird radio issues that I'm troubleshooting, I've not been successful in determining whether the areas are hot or not. So, I usually just turn around and head back.

You mean that I can fly through a hot MOA without talking to anyone if I want to? I can fly right through it legally?
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