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Old 11-07-2019, 07:43 AM
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Default Correct terminology with ATC or Tower

When under ATC control and changing frequency what is the current correct terminology to announce your presence on the new frequency, I have recently read that "with you" is not correct and "up" is also not correct.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:03 AM
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If "with you" is now wrong, I have a 20 year habit to try break.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:09 AM
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Default freq change - check the AIM

The AIM says to give them something useful, and avoid fluff.

Austin approach - n12345 - 3500 ft

https://airresearch.com/Pilots/AIM-0...5/aim0503.html
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:16 AM
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+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:21 AM
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+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
Same. On a "switch to my frequency" I'll switch first then transmit "N12345 with you on xx.xx"
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:31 AM
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Default Phraseology

You can look up the proper phraseology here:

https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/....aspx?id=17272

and a summarized version here:

http://wiki.flightgear.org/ATC_phras...ise.2C_descent


One of the most annoying habits I see, on a day to day basis, is people not being concise in their communications. An example frequency change would be:

"Uh...Houston center, experimental N12345...we are a Van's RV-8 and um, we are 25 miles North, no I mean South of XYZ VOR and we are at 4,000 feet and climbing to 6,500 feet heading 240 degrees, no wait 241 degrees, going to KABC airport checking on with you...Over."

When you really only need,

Houston Center, N12345, 4,000 climbing to 6,500."

Long winded communication just ties up the frequency...
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:55 AM
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I usually like to preface a transmission to ATC with...."Hello" (Technique only)

After all, they are human too....
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:28 AM
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One of my personal upsets are pilots failure to listen on the new frequency before reporting in. If a controller is giving another aircraft control instructions they really don’t want to hear anyone’s else’s ums and awhs until they know United 680 has visual with the traffic they have pointed out to them. My rule of thumb is to give the frequency at least 5 seconds before making my initial call. YMMV
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Several surveys with controllers show that they don't particularly like "with you."

Also, bad form to say "four thousand for one four thousand." Should say "four thousand climbing one four thousand." The "for" adds confusion.

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Old 11-07-2019, 06:56 PM
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+1 On a "hand off" that is exactly what I use: "Denver Center- N12345 - 8500 ft" Tells them exactly what they need. They were expecting you and they just need to know you are there and what altitude you show.
Kieth is correct, Greg in the following post is also correct for the most precise with the least syllables when the frequency is hopping. “With you,” “Hello” etc is also fine within the context of the situation and how busy the frequency is, I like to include a “Wecome” with a check-on when time allows.
Saying “with you” or “up” is implied, kinda like “N1234 if you hear center ident” vs “N1234 ident.”
About halfway into training a newbie controller we’ll charge them a nickel for every wasted syllable during a day of training. It would pay for Lunch, gas, beer and then some!
Always extra points if the pilot has a proper British accent....
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