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All aircraft using O-200 engines and Sensenich C72AE props

N941WR

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This only applies to O-200's swinging the Sensenich Ground Adjustable Prop.

I have not heard about any other engines swinging this prop, including Lycomings or Rotax engines. No need to panic as this combination is typically used on Cub-A-Like LSA's. However, if any of you have built an RV-12 or have an RV-3 with this engine/prop combination you might also experience these Mag failures.

SENSENICH PROPELLERS said:
SENSENICH PROPELLERS
2008 WOOD COURT
PLANT CITY, FL 33563
PHONE –(813)752-3711
FAX – (813)752-2818
14 CITATION LANE
LITITZ, PA 17543
PHONE –(717)569-0435
FAX – (717)560-3725

NOTIFICATION NO. CN-1-13
Sept 27, 2013

TO: ALL AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND OPERATORS USING CONTINENTAL O-200 ENGINES AND SENSENICH C72AE PROPELLERS

SUBJECT: MAGNETO FAILURES / PROPELLER HARMONICS

PROPELLER MODEL(S): SENSENICH 2EK/C72AE, 2EL/C72AE GROUND ADJUSTABLE COMPOSITE PROPELLERS

AIRCRAFT MODEL(S) AFFECTED: ALL AIRCRAFT USING CONTINETAL O-200 ENGINES AND SENSENICH C72AE PROPELLERS

DISCUSSION:
Sensenich has been made aware of random magneto failures on Continental Motors Inc (CMI) O-200 series engines that CMI has attributed to operation with the Sensenich composite C72AE propeller. These failures appear to be intermittent and CMI reports that the magneto failures are a result of a 6th
order vibration that CMI attributes to a vibrational resonance of the engine/propeller combination. While the Sensenich composite propeller is not experiencing any problems related to the resonance referred to by CMI we do acknowledge that the propeller and engine are not mutually exclusive and must ultimately be considered as a system. It is unclear at this time if these issues affect all composite propellers used on CMI four cylinder engines or if it is specific to one particular manufacturer’s propeller model.

Sensenich has traditionally approved propellers for use on aircraft engines based on a vibration survey of the propeller and endurance testing per 14 CFR part 35 or ASTM F2506. Vibration surveys record what is happening in the propeller as a result of operation on a particular engine and this data is then used to determine the airworthiness of the propeller on that particular engine configuration. All propeller/engine combinations exhibit vibrational harmonic interaction. It is not possible to design a propeller that will not exhibit vibrational harmonics within the operating envelope when run on an internal combustion engine. The Sensenich C72AE propeller has been vibration tested in accordance with ASTM F2506 and has been determined airworthy for use on the CMI O-200 series engines. Sensenich has not historically determined the airworthiness of the entire propeller, engine, airframe combination but has provided data, typically to the airframe manufacturers, in support of those efforts.

As a result of these magneto failures CMI is requesting that Sensenich discontinue recommending and selling composite propellers for use on CMI four cylinder engines. Although the vibration survey has demonstrated the C72AE propeller to be airworthy when operated on the CMI O-200 series engines and there are numerous installations that have successfully logged in excess of 300 hours without magneto failure, it cannot be shown with certainty that the C72AE propeller is not causing the issues with the CMI magnetos. For these reasons and in the interest of aviation safety, Sensenich has decided to temporarily suspend sales of the C72 series propeller. If at a later date the CMI O-200 series engines can be proven compatible with the C72AE propeller then sales of the C72AE propeller will continue.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Sensenich is currently in the testing phase of an additional composite propeller, the C76, designed for use on the CMI O-200 engine. The C76 propeller has exhibited significantly different vibratory characteristics from the C72AE propeller and the vibration survey of this propeller on a CMI O-200 engine is scheduled to be completed by early October of this year. Pending successful completion of the vibration survey and related endurance testing per ASTM 2506, Sensenich will release the propeller for service.

Although Sensenich designs propellers for aircraft engines and airframes based on horsepower, rpm, and aircraft speed, the suitability for any particular propeller for an application is the responsibility of the aircraft manufacturer or aircraft owner.

If you have any questions related to the information disclosed in this letter or to discuss any propeller options available for your application during this time please contact Sensenich directly.
 
Worthy of note is that many homebuilders incorrectly assume that because they are using a prop with composite blades, they do not have to be concerned with any of the variables (advanced ignition timing, higher compression, etc.) that can cause dynamic prop/crankshaft issues.

This looks like at least one data point (at least it looks like Sensenich believes the prop may be the cause in some circumstances), that supports being careful when flying with any engine prop combination that has not had an in depth vib. analysis done (or at the very least, there is a large number in service with no problem history on the exact same engine configuration you plan to use.
 
Exactly the point Mike.

BTW, the magneto failures they refer to are pretty serious in that the non-impulse mags aren't lasting much past 50 hours. The impulse mags are lasting longer but the one guy I know with this combination was just asked to pull both mags and the starter and send all three back to CMI. CMI also told him to remove the prop immediately and not fly his plane until they get this resolved. (The plane I know of is an S-LSA, so he can't just bolt on a Catto prop and P-mags and go fly.)

At this time CMI is not sure if the problem has to do with the O-200D (The new CMI LSA engine.), a combination of the O-200D engine and the Sensenich GAP prop, or any O-200 running this Sensenich GAP prop.

The good news is that CMI and Sensenich are working hard to solve this problem as quickly as they can.
 
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