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DIY Moving map?

Roddzilla

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Just completed a fully max'd out new Intel mac mini. Have the very fast samsung SATAII SSD in it (64GB). Good to 70K feet. Man, the SSD makes this thing SCREAM.

This is a very fast, very silent, cool running machine. Stripped off OSX (completely) and is running XP Pro.

Now, I was thinking how great this would be to run Mountainscope with a 10.4" HighRes super bright panel mounted LCD instead of running a music jukebox in the basement. feed it with redundant 32 channel WAAS gps units for a couple hundred bucks... a serial cable to drive an auto pilot... regulated DC-DC converter for power supply and should be good right?

Maybe I'll just continue with the jukebox.

DR
 
hi DR,

working on a similar thing :)
http://www.flyvans.com/subproj/mappc.html

go ahead, it's fun and even though it takes a bit of time and research, it's nothing compared to working on the plane and a nice side-project.

contact me if you want to share details / ideas.

by the way, http://www.mp3car.com forums are a great resource, even though aimed at carpc's. tips for getting windows to boot within seconds, different shells / frontends, etc etc...

regards,
bernie
 
Also working on the same thing

I've been working on an onboard computer for quite a while. Once you get a PC onboard you can do almost anything you want. Just think about autopilot, auto trim, Betty, traffic, datalink, email etc. Here are a couple of pics of my set up. All homebuilt. The moving map software is Anywhere XP and the engine gauges (simulated data in the photo) are software that I wrote. it uses an Aim Lite engine monitor. Lots of fun.

RV4cockpit.jpg


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Very Cool

You guys have some cool stuff.

I like the Mac Mini (except the weight of the aluminim wrapper, and the CPU fan).

If I were building something for a plane, I would look at this:

Fanless PC:
http://vip.aopen.com/products_DE_DE945FL.htm

Milti RS-232/422/488 Board:
http://www.quatech.com/catalog/emb_usb2.0.php

Keyboard:
http://l3shop.com/Merchant2/merchan...Code=LSOS&Product_Code=SA0010&Category_Code=5

Trackpad:
Scratch this, I like yours better. Beats the $200 aluminum one I found.

and I would have to have this:
http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/index.html
embedded into the back of the prop...!
 
Embedded PC cost comparison

How does the cost of an embedded PC in the panel compare with purpose designed equipment like the garmin 496 or even an EFIS it might replace?

After pricing out the bits it seems pretty comparable, especially if you want daylight readable display.

Ted
 
You guys may be "re-inventing the wheel", as they say.

...recreation and education... ;-)

if i wanted to go for off the shelf, could have saved the bucks for a gns430.
an sl30 plus all the pc hardware still is cheaper, though.
no IFR anyway due to the regs over here.

rgds, bernie
 
Misc info and opinions

Someone asked how does the price compare to buying COTS ready to go equipment... Well, that's not really the goal with me. If it were, I would be buying a used Cessna or Piper and save a ton of cash over building my own -- Fly it away 10 minutes after closing the purchase. Its about the learning and "tinkering". I do not consider a GPS unit and moving map a critical system for VFR flight. I consider it a luxury... Thus I have no issues with doing this type of stuff. I am taking it slow on this build and don't mind being side tracked by electronic projects or alternative engine research/fabrication.

Honestly, some of the guys on here crack me up with their attitudes toward anything that does not get Vans written endorsement (and thus sales mark-up). Someone who is capable of taking a flat pile of aluminum and rivets and construction a flying machine should be capable of almost anything else "alternative" discussed here. The word alternative is in quotes because it is synonymous with "experimental" to me.

Where would we be today (in this hobby) without previous nut-jobs (I say that with utmost respect) who understood what "experimantal" meant. Besides, after following Vans instructions to the LETTER for many thousands of hours building the airframe, some of you could use the unbridled excitement of a Yugo engine driving a tractor differential for a PSRU, radiators flapping in the wind, an old commodore vic-20 handling the instrumentation/GPS/autopilot duties, and some old floppy drive motors acting as autopilot servos.... That's flying !!!

Plane PC stuff is cool, but way expensive. I do, however, like the way they mount the monitor in a couple of their pictures.

You can source the same parts for less and fabricate the monitor mounting. Again, being capable of building an aircraft should mean you are capable of this type of stuff as well... if not, you might want to buy off the shelf parts and send them to whoever is constructing your plane!:D

Someone asked about GPS.. I will reply privately, but here are a couple of the type of quick updating, sensitive, accurate, cheap receivers I am talking about. You can either run 2 of these units to the PC or I devised for myself a small reliable circuit board (Pic based) that provides auto or manual GPS redundancy, redundant regulated power to the receivers, and a small remote LCD display (for status of both GPS units -- parsed lat, long, GPS time, and speed/altitude can also be displayed for both units as well). Or you could have a script running on the PC itself that parses the NMEA sentences for correct format, monitors lock status of the GPS and makes a decision to throw a relay to take the output of the backup GPS if something is not right with the primary. The relay can be thrown from a pair of parallel port or serial port pins being toggled.

32 channel DGPS/WAAS/EGNOS, 5 Hz:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8266

54 channel WAAS/EGNOS, 1Hz standard, 5Hz optional
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8703

I have used many of the 32 channel models in several applications without a single failure... that is from dirty 12v power with cheap home made DC-DC converters. They work great.

Sparkfun is great! Take a look at the micro sized, highly accurate UAV platform they have for sale. You could program that sucker to fly your plane to a specified location and circle for you in an emergency. Add a couple sensors to monitor for stick pressure or something to determine if the pilot is in control or not...It could also activate an ELT... Maybe better than an automatic auger maneuver. Or heck, just use it to build a cruise missile out of stuff in the VAF classified forum. Whatever floats your boat!;)
 
I know that some of you would be capable of building great glass panels. I was more comfortable buying, and am happy with my decision. Electronics isn't my thing. If you have doubts that it can be done VERY well, go here http://www.bakalar.org/dollmeyer/diary/Sun-n-Fun/index.htm Tom won Best Kit Built at SnF in '06. Click on his panel pic. It is a work of art. I haven't seen it in a while, and the last time I saw it he hadn't programed in synthetic vision, but it had all the other bells and whistles. Truly incredible and only around $20k. Such a shame that he choose to put all this in a Glasair...

Bob Kelly
 
Awesome

Very cool setup in that Glassair!

I am just tinkering with moving map... Everything else is the product of an active imagination and being an engineer.

DR
 
Here is my version of doing this. Note this is the second gen for this aircraft. The current system is awesome and far exceeds my expectations.

http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/Efisfaq2.htm

A couple notes. Displays rule! Finding one that is actually daylight readable, with adequate viewing angles is tough. Plenty of 640x480 (inadequate) but not many XGA types in a small enough size to fit in the panel of a homebuilt. This one cost far more than any part of the system ($1800)

Processor power is not so important. This system runs 1GHz and cruises at about 20 percent capacity even while viewing an inflight movie. This motherboard will also drive an external composite monitor for the PAX.

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As someone who is considering either the Garmin 496 vs the AvMap, is it easy to buy a large TFT or similar screen and output the above directly to it? My biggest grip with the Garmin 296/396/496 GPS line is the 'peephole' screen.
 
As someone who is considering either the Garmin 496 vs the AvMap, is it easy to buy a large TFT or similar screen and output the above directly to it? My biggest grip with the Garmin 296/396/496 GPS line is the 'peephole' screen.

Nope,


Garmin intentionally crippled the unit so as not to impeded sales of their larger more expensive product line. Garmin KNOWS everyone wants a larger screen.

They are experts and managing customer expectations.
 
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Anyone still working on projects like this might be interested in looking at the Nvidia ION platform. The CPU is a bit on the weak side, but the graphics power would be great for moving map and synthetic vision apps.

http://www.nvidia.com/ion
 
Rocketboy's Panel

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That thing is awesome. It reminds me of what I did in my old CJ-7, except I just fabricated a mount for my laptop and strapped it in. Used a Garmin GPS-12 and loved all of the information that it gave me.

Do you have a list of hardware and software that you used for your panel? And is that a thumbdrive I saw in another thread? What functionality do you get with the Windows based panel?
 
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