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Old 10-09-2014, 07:16 AM
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Anyone have thoughts or experience on building an engine from an kit?

Like buying parts, or a kit, from ECI?

Any financial benefit?

Do you get some certification, like you do when you build your own airplane?

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Old 10-09-2014, 07:46 AM
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Yes, I did it with the help of a well known local engine builder. Not much financial benefit but a great Experiance! I would do it again. I have a few photos of the build on my photo page in my signature below.
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Old 10-09-2014, 08:15 AM
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Good luck getting a kit engine from ECI. I contacted two different engine shops that advertised ECI kit engines, and they both told me the same thing: within the last year or so ECI stopped selling all their kit engines to both engine shops and individuals. The only way to get an ECI engine now is to buy a fully-built and tested one through Titan Engines.
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Old 10-09-2014, 09:08 AM
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I built my IO360 during a Superior engine-build school in 2007. Good experience for me as I had never been inside an airplane engine before. I don't know whether they are still doing this. No financial advantage (actually, it cost a bit more than just buying an engine because one of their builders had to sit and oversee me building, which took longer than if he had just done it himself).

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Old 10-09-2014, 09:11 AM
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I too built my O-360 from an ECi kit, with the help of an IA. 400 hours on it now and all is good. That was the best program ECi had but I can only imagine the helpdesk calls they must have gotten.

Unfortunately, it is my understanding that they no longer sell kit engines. That is a real bummer because they have just priced a lot of people out of the new engine market.
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:37 AM
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I talked to ECi and Titan at Oshkosh about this, and was told the same thing -- they're no longer doing it. ECi will happily sell you whatever parts you want, of course... but apparently at a "spares" price and not a "kit engine" price, so I gathered you'd be better off buying new.

Oh well.
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:15 AM
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Any financial benefit?
Four years ago I calculated that building the engine from a kit saved about 4K, apples to apples, but recognized that it came without the benefit of run-in in a test cell, and that any warranty claim might be blamed on my assembly techniques. One of the cost variables was which distributor you purchased the kit through. It was a fun experience, taking brand new engine parts out of a thousand little bags and boxes, and assembling them into a working powerplant. It took way longer to assemble than it needed to, primarily because I spent so much time studying, checking, double checking, documenting. There was a huge pile of boxes and bags afterward. Suspect the labor time for an experienced builder to snap one together is small compared to the cost of the parts and the cost of assembling it wrong. A centralized assembly facility might see less total waste packaging materials. Shipping on the kit was more than the shipping on a completed engine, as it came on two pallets. But it was fun.
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Old 10-09-2014, 03:51 PM
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Not a kit or financial benefit but Titan will allow you to "help" build your engine. I asked them at Osh about kit engines.
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:45 PM
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It has been my understanding this year that none of the three parts manufacturers (Lycoming, ECI, or Superior) will sell a complete "kit" engine any longer. My guess is that kits were competing with their assembled engine business. Unfortunately, this puts the custom engine builders between a rock and a hard place because they have to buy all of the parts separately if you want them to build your new engine for you. It is hard for them to compete on price in a market like that - which is probably the point.

As I understand it, this is purely a business decision, and with so few suppliers in the market, the customers can take it or leave it.
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:27 PM
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Too bad about the vendors not selling kits anymore. It doesn't make sense to me. It would be like if Vans stopped selling RV-12 kits because it was competing with their RV-12 LSA production line. Maybe the demand wasn't enough to make it profitable.
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