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anyone using the Skyradar ads-b receiver?
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flyindoorman
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SkyRadar Receiver
I purchased a Sky radar receiver back in early March and have been very impressed with the unit and even more so with there customer support. Send an email on Saturday afternoon and had a reply about 5 min later complete with a cell phone number and a invite to call now if you need immediate help.
Sent a different email with a question on a Sunday afternoon and had a response the same way in 15 or 20 min. I had a few concerns as to how well the unit may perform in my area and they extended my return time to 90 days instead of 30 so I would have time to evaluate it properly.
At first the moving map appeared a little bland but when looking at traffic and weather it is nice to have the uncluttered view. We made the trip from San Antonio to the Bahamas in March and the weather performed flawlessly the whole trip.
Hope this helps.
Randy
I purchased a Sky radar receiver back in early March and have been very impressed with the unit and even more so with there customer support. Send an email on Saturday afternoon and had a reply about 5 min later complete with a cell phone number and a invite to call now if you need immediate help.
Sent a different email with a question on a Sunday afternoon and had a response the same way in 15 or 20 min. I had a few concerns as to how well the unit may perform in my area and they extended my return time to 90 days instead of 30 so I would have time to evaluate it properly.
At first the moving map appeared a little bland but when looking at traffic and weather it is nice to have the uncluttered view. We made the trip from San Antonio to the Bahamas in March and the weather performed flawlessly the whole trip.
Hope this helps.
Randy
Flybuddy2
Well Known Member
I purchased/installed back in April and have been very happy with the unit. A few of my neighbors wound up purchasing also after seeing mine work with WingX. It picks up weather fairly quickly and recycles faster than XM. I do get occasional drop outs on the reception (generally just a second or two). I thought it might be my mounting location with the standard (in the plane) antenna (I had it behind the seats--RV6A). I remote mounted the unit and hooked up to an external antenna (DME) seeing if that would help and it didn't. The dropouts are minimal and do not affect the weather picture.
fly_vans_rv7a
Member
Skyradar receiver in my RV7a
I've been using the Skyradar reciever for a few months now in northern Arizona and it's been great. I got tired of writing a check to XM and I'm glad I switched. I use WingX on my iPad 2 and the WX comes up quick, usually as I'm taxiing for takeoff, this will vary depending on how far the station is, I'm 29nm away. I've also subscribed to Skyradar's App which has come a long way now with sectionals and is very stable. The customer support is great, I've had a few questions and they usually get back to me within an hour.
I've been using the Skyradar reciever for a few months now in northern Arizona and it's been great. I got tired of writing a check to XM and I'm glad I switched. I use WingX on my iPad 2 and the WX comes up quick, usually as I'm taxiing for takeoff, this will vary depending on how far the station is, I'm 29nm away. I've also subscribed to Skyradar's App which has come a long way now with sectionals and is very stable. The customer support is great, I've had a few questions and they usually get back to me within an hour.
flyboy1963
Well Known Member
package price?
Hey guys, can you list all the components needed for this level of situational awareness? what Wing-X options do you need? Ipad with wifi or 3g? Antennae etc.
I'm a newbie to this nexrad and ads-b stuff....all @#&$@%)@ to me!
thx!
Hey guys, can you list all the components needed for this level of situational awareness? what Wing-X options do you need? Ipad with wifi or 3g? Antennae etc.
I'm a newbie to this nexrad and ads-b stuff....all @#&$@%)@ to me!
thx!
rvn817j
Well Known Member
Any Updated Pireps?
Looking at the Skyradar information it appears that the in-aircraft Skyradar box braodcasts wirelessly to your Ipad / Iphone / Touch. If you get dual band, you just have to deal with 2 antenna sticking to your canopy.
It looks like a very cost effective way to get ADS-B into the cockpit. The AOPA magazine had a discount coupon code.
Can we get an updated pirep? Should I invest in that Ipad, Skyradar and the Skyradar app or WingX? Thanks.
Looking at the Skyradar information it appears that the in-aircraft Skyradar box braodcasts wirelessly to your Ipad / Iphone / Touch. If you get dual band, you just have to deal with 2 antenna sticking to your canopy.
It looks like a very cost effective way to get ADS-B into the cockpit. The AOPA magazine had a discount coupon code.
Can we get an updated pirep? Should I invest in that Ipad, Skyradar and the Skyradar app or WingX? Thanks.
DanBaier
Well Known Member
For $189
...just saw this this morning:
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=219&L=1
It's not clear that this can tie into a tablet - but it's probably a sign of things not too far over the horizon.
Dan
...just saw this this morning:
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=219&L=1
It's not clear that this can tie into a tablet - but it's probably a sign of things not too far over the horizon.
Dan
RVbySDI
Well Known Member
Just quickly went to the link in your post so I cannot post comments on its capabilities but what I can say is that Apple's Ipad does not have USB capabilities. This device looks like it connects via USB. If so, I am not sure how it could be adaptable to plug into an Ipad.
DCat22
Well Known Member
Interesting... $240 on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/GNS-5890-ADS-B-Receiver-USB-Stick/dp/B006VI3WAK/ ...works with PlanePlotter at least.
May have to get that for my desk, if nothing else.
rv9av8tr
Well Known Member
Be careful ...
I was visiting AFS shop last week and Rob H. said the FAA recently announced it wouldn't support ADS-B In receivers with weather unless the ADS-B also had Out, to transmit your position. He said only NavWorx and one other receiver supports this right now (sorry I don't recall). I did ask about Skyradar and he indicated not.
I don't know any details beyond that, but it sounds like changes are in the works that might exclude some ADS-B receivers in getting weather. Hopefully others can chime in with more details on this....
I was visiting AFS shop last week and Rob H. said the FAA recently announced it wouldn't support ADS-B In receivers with weather unless the ADS-B also had Out, to transmit your position. He said only NavWorx and one other receiver supports this right now (sorry I don't recall). I did ask about Skyradar and he indicated not.
I don't know any details beyond that, but it sounds like changes are in the works that might exclude some ADS-B receivers in getting weather. Hopefully others can chime in with more details on this....
ADS-B weather cannot be limited to specific airplanes. Go read the way ADS-B transmits weather and you'll see that it's just broadcast all the time, to anyone that wants to hear it. The FAA could make it a rule that it's disallowed to receive it unless you are transmitting, but they can't do it on the technical side unless they make enormous changes to the way it is transmitted. I even wrote my ADS-B specialist contact at the FAA and he agrees and knows nothing about any plans to limit weather transmission.
ADS-B TRAFFIC is only available to those that are transmitting their position. The ground stations only transmit traffic to targets they know are out there. They don't send all targets, just ones around planes they know about. This has been true for a while. It's not a limitation of a specific brand of ADS-B device.
Your position can be transmitted by a Mode-S 1090ES transponder, or a 978MHz UAT. You can pick up traffic on 1090ES or a UAT. Weather can only be received on the UAT.
Remember:
If you want to transmit position, the current rule says the transmitter must be TSO'd. (by 2020)
If you use a UAT (978MHz) to transmit position, you still need a Mode-C on board and have to set the squawk code in both
If you use a Mode-S transponder for ADS-B out, you get both the ADS-B and transponder requirement all in one box.
You can transmit and receive on different frequencies. So you can transmit out on your certified Mode-s transponder and then buy an inexpensive, uncertified UAT receiver only to get weather and traffic.
Those USB sticks listed above are 1090ES receivers. They can only pick up airplanes transmitting position on a Mode-S transponder. They can't pick up weather or airplanes transmitting position on a UAT. They're popular in Europe where they don't have UAT's and every plane legally must have Mode-S by 2015.
--Ian Jordan
Dynon Avionics
ADS-B TRAFFIC is only available to those that are transmitting their position. The ground stations only transmit traffic to targets they know are out there. They don't send all targets, just ones around planes they know about. This has been true for a while. It's not a limitation of a specific brand of ADS-B device.
Your position can be transmitted by a Mode-S 1090ES transponder, or a 978MHz UAT. You can pick up traffic on 1090ES or a UAT. Weather can only be received on the UAT.
Remember:
If you want to transmit position, the current rule says the transmitter must be TSO'd. (by 2020)
If you use a UAT (978MHz) to transmit position, you still need a Mode-C on board and have to set the squawk code in both
If you use a Mode-S transponder for ADS-B out, you get both the ADS-B and transponder requirement all in one box.
You can transmit and receive on different frequencies. So you can transmit out on your certified Mode-s transponder and then buy an inexpensive, uncertified UAT receiver only to get weather and traffic.
Those USB sticks listed above are 1090ES receivers. They can only pick up airplanes transmitting position on a Mode-S transponder. They can't pick up weather or airplanes transmitting position on a UAT. They're popular in Europe where they don't have UAT's and every plane legally must have Mode-S by 2015.
--Ian Jordan
Dynon Avionics
We just got asked this over email so I thought I'd post it here:
ADS-B ground stations only send out traffic to airplanes they "know about." The ones they know about are the ADS-B OUT equipped planes (Mode S or UAT).
When they send traffic to planes they know about, it's only traffic for 15 miles around that plane and +/- 3,500' of that plane.
If you're a non-ADS-B OUT plane but have ADS-B in, you can see these targets, but you'd need to basically be at the same altitude as another ADS-B plane and within about 5 miles of it for you to have good coverage around you. Given that requirement, you can see why you really won't get traffic unless you have ADS-B out in your plane. There might be some dense urban areas where this would work, but those are the ones already covered by Mode-S TIS traffic which you can get a lot cheaper than adding ADS-B to your plane.
--Ian Jordan
ADS-B ground stations only send out traffic to airplanes they "know about." The ones they know about are the ADS-B OUT equipped planes (Mode S or UAT).
When they send traffic to planes they know about, it's only traffic for 15 miles around that plane and +/- 3,500' of that plane.
If you're a non-ADS-B OUT plane but have ADS-B in, you can see these targets, but you'd need to basically be at the same altitude as another ADS-B plane and within about 5 miles of it for you to have good coverage around you. Given that requirement, you can see why you really won't get traffic unless you have ADS-B out in your plane. There might be some dense urban areas where this would work, but those are the ones already covered by Mode-S TIS traffic which you can get a lot cheaper than adding ADS-B to your plane.
--Ian Jordan
Roy Caulder
I'm New Here
Does anyone have more information about the Sagetech Clarity family of ADS-B receivers? I checked out their website, and it looks pretty cool, kinda reminds me of a Stormtrooper - "Look sir, droids!". Would love to get some more info, loks like they are taking orders and they are fairly low cost
deej
Well Known Member
Here is a copy of an email exchange I had with them:
Thank you for your interest in Clarity!!
We should have units available to ship by July 24th, in time for Oshkosh. We will begin accepting pre-orders in the very near future, and will advise you when that is available.
I have inserted my responses to your questions below.
Best regards,
Jeff Lemley
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1) With regards to the Clarity Dual SV receiver, would it be possible to have two Ipads using WingX communicating with a single Clarity receiver?
I'm picturing having one iPad with a full screen Synthetic Vision display, and the other a full screen Terrain display with ADS-B weather, traffic, etc.
Great question! Yes, the Clarity?s data stream can be received and utilized by multiple iPads/tablets within range of our WiFi out signal.
2) What is the cost of the XPS-TR and XPS-TRB transponders and User Interface, and when will they be available?
We are happy that you found information about our transponders and look forward to providing a solution. There are a couple of items that continue to delay the availability of a Sagetech solution for manned aircraft:
Units currently being built are not yet TSO certified. The process to achieve FAA certification is underway and is considered critical by Sagetech, but a firm schedule for completion has not been defined.
We are discussing integration with a number of glass panel manufacturers, where the transponder would be controlled from the multi-function displays (MFD) interface and a dedicated panel interface for the transponder would not be required. These discussions will become much more active when we approach completion of the TSO process.
We also need to complete the design of small front panel control-interface which will fit into a standard panel cut-out - which is required for the TSO process. This will also provide an option to have the normal transponder controls and a USB port to charge and possibly provide ADS-B information to the growing list of popular tablet electronic flight bag (EFB) applications.
Your feedback on these items and any thoughts on design requirements are certainly welcome. We will be happy to keep you updated on our progress in completing these tasks. Please let me know if you would like any additional information at this time.
Mode C units and Mode S with ADS-B Out units are currently in production and being delivered to unmanned aircraft customers. Qualification of the transponder variant providing ADS-B In/Out is underway, but has been delayed due to resource prioritization. Currently, the expectation is to have units for sale in late 2012.
3) Is it possible to use the ADS-B In function of the XPS-TRB with an iPad running WingX using something like the Roving Networks WiFi Adapter
(http://www.rovingnetworks.com/products/RN_370) ?
Once we have that transponder option completed and TSO?d (see note above), it would support such a configuration. We are also discussing a transponder option that would have a WiFi output to provide data to tablets in the aircraft ? but no engineering has begun on that possible product.
4) Given that that XPS-TRB is a single frequency ADS-B receiver, I would most likely go with a combination of the XPS-TR for ADS-B out, and the Clarity Dual SV for ADS-B In/AHRS. Is it safe to assume that these units will work well together?
Once we have that transponder option completed and TSO?d (see note above), you are correct.
5) Will you be at EAA Airventure (Oshkosh)?
We will most definitely be at Oshkosh for the entire show! Come by and visit with us at booth #4036.
Jeff Lemley | Product Coordinator
Sagetech Corporation
509-493-2185 ,124 ext
SagetechCorp.com
