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Old 01-08-2017, 02:48 AM
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Default Canopy Skirt Fit

Hi Guys,

I am having some trouble with my canopy skirt. I have bonded on my canopy and it has no holes in it. I have the skirt fitted and clecoed to the frame. On the upper flange, where it overlaps the canopy I was unable to get it to fit very well. In some places, it touches, but in many places, it is angled away from the canopy, leaving a gap. I am planning on pop-riveting the skirt to the frame. The same topic was discussed in this thread.

In the thread there were a couple of different suggestions proposed, but I was thinking about just cutting off the upper lip and laying up a new lip directly onto the acrylic like band around the base of the windscreen. Since I don’t have any way to secure the aft end of the skirt, accept bonding, I was thinking it might be a little more secure.

Does anyone have any experience with this approach?

Thanks in advance,
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Old 01-08-2017, 04:51 AM
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I slit my skirts...horizontally ..along the crease line...(from about halfway along the side all round the back!)....at the top of the skirt where it attaches to the plexiglass canopy! ...This allowed it to fall nicelly onto the airframe...I than put temporary 'tacks' of fibreglass /microballons ..to hold it...and let it settle for a couple of weeks!...I then fully filled the gap...and fibreglassed it ...It is as 'near as dammit' perfect!!...can.t get a cigarette paper under it...whereas before I could put my hand under the rear skirt!...send me your email...I.ll send some photos!!..rgds to all stan...
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:49 AM
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Default Canopy Skirt

Hi Stan,
I'm getting ready to start on the canopy skirts. Could I also get a copy of the photos please. Thanks

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Old 01-08-2017, 09:18 AM
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Hi Guys,

On the upper flange, where it overlaps the canopy I was unable to get it to fit very well…………..
I was thinking about just cutting off the upper lip and laying up a new lip directly onto the acrylic like band around the base of the windscreen.

Does anyone have any experience with this approach?

Thanks in advance,
I just did this, will post some pic's later today
J.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:54 AM
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Default What I did.......

Start reading here and move forward with the build log to see what I did. I had read about folks doing this to the rear of the skirt and decided it was the only way for me to get a good fit. I didn't have any fiberglass skills at all so I read a lot of Dan Hortons reports. It was a huge leap of faith but, it turned out very well I think...... Splitting the skirt would be a lot less work, however mine was way off....

http://www.mykitlog.com/users/displa...=218187&row=21
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Old 01-08-2017, 04:23 PM
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Thank you guys for the excellent assistance!

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Old 01-08-2017, 09:58 PM
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Default Canopy Skirt Fit

Only used a small portion of the original skirt,




Used Dacron to bridge the gap, glued and then apply heat to shrink to fit




Ready to lay up plies of glass








Used Sika adhesive to adhere to canopy, rivets in frame, No holes in Canopy




Final finish ready for paint


NOTE:
Glued the skirt on @ 70F degrees stabilized shop temperature which I prefer for
a middle of the road temp due to expansion-contraction for here in the midwest.

THE FIT WILL CHANGE WITH TEMPERATURE !!!

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Old 01-09-2017, 06:10 PM
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Default Very nice Jake.....

How did you get the rear area over the track so perfect?
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:04 PM
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Default Follow up questions...

Jake, Tim,
Both of you guys do wonderful work! I am blown away by the quality of your work. Now that I have had some time to look at your excellent workmanship, I have a couple of follow up questions.

Jake,
What kind of glue did you use to glue the Dacron to the plane? I assume you glue it to the canopy too? I have not really worked with cloth before. will a normal iron will work to shrink it down? How much artistry is involved?

Tim,
What kind of clay did you use, and how much did you buy?

Thank you again for all you help,
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:44 PM
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How did you get the rear area over the track so perfect?




Apply mold release to fabric


Note the wood block under frame to keep shrinking fabric from pulling the frame down. Used simple playdough for mold.




Some Micro was used on the inside to get the radius just right





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Jake,
What kind of glue did you use to glue the Dacron to the plane? I assume you glue it to the canopy too? I have not really worked with cloth before. will a normal iron will work to shrink it down? How much artistry is involved?



Glue to both, apply adhesive, then fabric, then more adhesive to encapsulate fabric at the bonding area.
Use a heat gun to shrink the Dacron.

Artistry………? A touch of OCD helps.

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