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JJ,
That looks awesome! I am behind you a few months. I am also doing all the mods you have done. The only difference in my aircraft will be an O320 / Catto 3-bladed prop. My cowling and prop should show up this week. Did you glue your canopy?

BTW, Bill has been helping me out with my bird. He has a nice looking fastback as well.
 
Did I 'glue' my canopy?

Hi Axel,

Did I 'glue' my canopy? Kind of yes... My canopy frame is the standard Van's frame cut up to give me 4 more inches back to the roll bar then cut up to fit the Harmon Fastback kit. I then trimmed my Todd canopy to get the form and fit I wanted (sitting hight and best visibility) and then using sheet metal screws tacked it down around the Van's framework. Finally I started laying up fiberglass around it and that is really what is holding it on/down. Took a long time to build and in retrospect probably could have achieved the same goal using aluminum sheet. But it is very smooth and seamless now with a good seal. If you notice, my canopy glass is actually 6 inches further back than a standard RV-4. Gives an 'overhang' visor for my glass cockpit hopefully improving viewing. With the Sam James cowl and big Hartzel spinner really makes for a longer looking nose...which I like!

I've been reading on here that a Sam James may not necessarily improve airspeed. I don't know for sure but I have one on my RV-6 and now on my -4 and i sure like the way they look...and form usually follows function ;)

Tailwinds,
 
Brilliant!

JJ my brother, There I was, flat on my back, 1986, sleeping on top of an Army Mk113 in the Mojave desert when out of the sunrise an OV-10 blows the dust off my sleeping bag at ___ft after about 30 minutes of acro! Turn on the radio and it's YOU! Good Morning dude, thought you needed a pick-me-up...I haven't forgotten!

I love your "Baby Rocket". It's probably the only airplane I would consider swapping my HR2 for. I will see you at Oshkosh...

Smokey
HR2
 
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Still waiting for my DAR appointment!

Hi All,

Well, after having my prop governor run around, I had to delay my DAR inspection while waiting for my engine to be torn apart and re-assembled with the correct part count this time, then my chosen DAR, a legend around here, had to make his annual trek to Sun n Fun. I am awaiting his return now, trying to be patient, but hope to have the inspection done this week....hope being the key word. Here are five pictures of my RV-4 Fastback project, soon plane, mostly assembled with the new wheel pants now minus a couple fairings already off awating THE INSPECTION!

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My oh my......

That's a Beauuuuuuutiful Airplane! Kind of makes me want to keep crankin' away. Nice job JJ
 
Thanks!

Thanks Axel!

Cyberpilot: Me too. I have made enough 'mods' on an otherwise proven design to make me a little nervous as to its flight characteristics in its current form, however, if form does in deed follow function, it should be a sweet flier!

Bill: Yes, continue! It's funny because as I look at my plane now, i find myself thinking, "There is NO WAY I BUILT THAT THING" because it seems soo overwhelming....like it did most days I was building it. But I got myself on a schedule where everyday I did something, even if it was just for a few minutes. And just like a marathon race with the finish line seemingly so far away, you get closer with every step you take. Likewise, every rivet pounded, every screw tightened and every clecoe removed, is a step closer to your finished plane.

Tailwinds!
 
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Nicely Done!

JJ my brotha, looks great! I remember when we couldn't afford to pay attention! Let me know when the test flight is, I'll provide the marshmallows...:)

Smokey
RV4 built when nobody else was, flown 1500 hours, sold.
HR2 flying ALOT
 
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First time I can post in this thread:

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Left in wing the Jig...
 
congrats stephen! that's a big milestone, and it looks great!

I can't take credit for most of it, I'm still sorting out what the previous builder had going, and trying to fix some of his... errors. But planning on having both wings done by the end of summer, and working on the fuse through the winter...
 
I can't take credit for most of it, I'm still sorting out what the previous builder had going, and trying to fix some of his... errors. But planning on having both wings done by the end of summer, and working on the fuse through the winter...

I may soon be in the same boat. There is a local project for sale with a completed empennage and a mostly completed wing, for a low price. Its an early kit, but i'm going to have a look at it hopefully next week. we'll see.
 
Reading through the old plans VS. the new ones ('82 vs. '02) can anyone confirm that Van's ships prepunched wing skins with current -4 kits? That could save me a LOT of headache if they do.
 
hello stephen. i see your located in pasadena. im in san fernando. wouldnt mind checking out your project, im on the fuse. hard to find -4 builders around here.
 
not so fast....

Stephen,

Don't get your hopes up on the pre-punched skins. VAn's punches the skins. Phlogiston makes the spars. I don't know if they have improved in recent years, but historically the pre-punched holes did not line up with the pre-drilled spars.

Maybe someone with a recent kit could verify that they have or have not improved ?

John
 
Reading through the old plans VS. the new ones ('82 vs. '02) can anyone confirm that Van's ships prepunched wing skins with current -4 kits? That could save me a LOT of headache if they do.

It says on their website that the skins are pre-punched now, but I would call to confirm. are you considering ordering a new wing kit and starting over? or just re-skinning?
 
Reading through the old plans VS. the new ones ('82 vs. '02) can anyone confirm that Van's ships prepunched wing skins with current -4 kits? That could save me a LOT of headache if they do.

Hi Stephen

My -4 kit (circa 2005) did come with pre punched skins for the wings. I have just started building again after 12 months off building a new hangar/workshop and a house
 
I thought I?d post some new photos of the build progress on my father's RV-4. We're currently trying to complete the cockpit wiring. After seven years of fabrication we?re finally hoping for the first flight by early Summer if everything continues as planned. We just purchased a Skybolt restoration project that will fill the empty nest once the RV is moved to its new hangar at the local airport. Can?t wait!


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Transformation of my RV-4 to a fastback

For the 18th birthday of N44TK I gave her a little face lift.

I admired Dave Anders RV-4 fastback conversion, done many years ago, and liked the appearance. I know that the Bakersfield area has a number of -4 fastbacks and there have been a number of -4s built from the beginning as a fastback around the country. I never discussed with anyone the process that they had gone through in the conversion of a completed -4. At the end of 2009 I decided I would make some work for myself after completing an RV-12 (N124RN) that was sold and made its first flight Dec 2/09.

I did speak with Axel Alvarez about his -4 build this last fall and followed a few of his suggestions. I basically made the frame fit the Harmon Rocket bubble. I removed all the original 7/16 inch tubing from Van's canopy frame and removed all but about 6 inches of the 3/4 inch square tubing on each side at the rear of the canopy. The major tube bending at the rear of the plexi can be done without any special tubing bender. The sides required nothing special to make them fit the remainder of the frame.

The costs involved, amounting to about $1,800, excluding repaint are as follows:

- 3 bulkheads and a turtledeck skin from John Harm - cost delivered $256
- Harmon Rocket canopy from Todd's Canopies, Florida - delivered $650
- Van's RV-4 canopy frame - $308
- Van's RV-8 empennage fairing (Fits nearly perfectly) - $91
- New 7/16 inch 6061 tubing (16 feet)-$60
- welding cost after modifying Van's frame - $110
- miscellaneous costs (not including repaint) - $300

The process turned out to not be too daunting, but it did keep my airplane down for about 90 days this winter.

The canopy is approximately 4 inches forward of a regular canopy. I chose to do the sides out of .025 aluminum and the front and rear out of epoxy. All of this was fairly simple.

My first flight after completion was March 5, 2010 and was uneventful. I noticed no difference in the handling as a result of the aerodynamics. There was a slightly different sound in flight.

I was not the original builder of N44TK, but was intimately involved since it's inception. I was the mentor to my friend Tom Karren, deceased in February 2008, who enjoyed the airplane from February 1992, until about 1 1/2 years before his death. I completed my first RV-4 (N504JT) in July 1988 and sold it in 2003 after flying it for 14 years and 1,400 hours, following completion of an RV-9A. I purchased N44TK from the estate in March 2008. The -9A was sold and delivered to Yankton, SD in May 2008.

Besides the previously mentioned aircraft, I have built an RV-6A with a partner, first flown in early '90s, an RV-7 completed in 2007, after flying off 29 hours locally, I delivered the -7 to Grady's paint shop in Texas for the owner was working in China, and I also built a number of wings (non-prepunched) in earlier years for other builders.

I decided to go back to the RV-4, while owning the -9A, since a lot of my flying is alone, and the tandem configuration is the best for the pilot. My wife also does not mind the rear seat. After over 2,000 hours in RVs, I still enjoy them a lot. The visibility from the rear seat on the fastback is considerably better due to dropping the side skins several inches.

Attached is a link to some photos showing some of the transition. The photos are not in a proper sequence.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jaknjoan/20100305FinishOfFastBack3510#

Jake Thiessen
Independence, OR.
 
Nice job, Jake

Jake,
Thanks very much for that report. It answers a number of questions I've had about just such a conversion. One other question: I've never been in a Fast Back 4, but it appears it would increase the rear seat volume about the head and shoulders. Maybe not a lot, but when space is tight a little more can go a long way. Is there actually an increase in space, or enough to matter?
Your 4 looks great:cool: I currently fly a 6, but keep thinking a 4 may be in the future.
Thanks, have fun, and fly safe!:D

ps-I noticed your tribute to your friend on the side. Very nice touch.
 
Jake, thanks for sharing that with us. I want my 4 to be a fastback too, and it gives me some idea of what to consider, so will be saving some of this to a file. Fortunately, I’m starting with a fresh kit, so it will save some hassle, but I got plenty to do before getting to that. Never really gave it much thought about the rear passenger having more visibility, but glad that's another advantage of going this route, and like another poster, I'm wondering if it does free up more space for the rear passenger as well?

If I remember right, Dave Ander’s said his fastback gave him an additional 5 mph, of course he may have experienced a bit more due to his top speed to begin with, which other 4’s going about 40 mph less might not get similar results. But I was curious did you notice any difference here at all?
 
One other question: I've never been in a Fast Back 4, but it appears it would increase the rear seat volume about the head and shoulders.

Dave, while researching something else, I came across this post from Bill Friedman on his fastback 4 that said it did give more room:

Also the Rocket turtledeck helps with the back seater's space. The canopy for the backseater is over 3 inches wider from the shoulders up and 3.5 inches taller....
 
Response to some of subsequent posters.

David D. - I did put the tribute to Tom on the side originally, but now that I have modified it and need to repaint, etc. I have removed it, but have not forgotten Tom. A good man.

As far as additional rear head room, that is significant. A friend that lives here at my airpark, is short, under 5 feet and when he rode in the back, after the conversion he said his outside visibility over the side was greatly improved. He is also building an RV-4, that I have assisted in and he wishes he had made his a fastback to start.

I didn't go to the work for extra speed, but if there is any, I'll take it. In theory, removing the turbulence at the aft end of the canopy can't hurt. I have never been too scientific to determine numbers at certain power settings, so I won't know if I'm faster. If my friends in other RVs tell me to slow down, then maybe it will show. The airplane has an 0-360 and constant speed. It was originally built with a new 0-320. In 1996, with only 248 hours on the 0-320, Tom ran into a project that was for sale that included a new 0-360 and new prop still in the box. I installed that engine for him in the -4 in late 1996 or early 1997. Since then a Dynon D10A, Trutrak autopilot and altitude hold have also been added.

While I had the turtledeck lid off, I did remove the full-width step over the elevator bellcrank and made a small "dog house" protection only over the bellcrank and opened up some additional volume in the baggage area.

For some reason, moving the front edge of the canopy forward about 4 inches, it appears I may have a little better forward visibility on the ground. This may also be because I minimized the width of the front fairing I formed out of epoxy.

I have less than 1 1/2 hours in the airplane since the change, but I like it.

Jake Thiessen
Independence, OR
 
Rear stick closure plate

Hi Bunker Hill

Do you have a photo which shows the complete rear stick closure panel?

I am just starting to fabricate one it would help to see what you have done.

Thanks
Wam
 
DARPA-Funded Canoe Flip

Being strapped for cash, to complete the RV-4 we've decided to apply for funding from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). As many of you know, DARPA continues to be interested in Stealth Technology, and one of the hottest research project areas is the development of "cloaking" technology to render our nation's military machines invisible. We claim to have mastered this technology (well, relatively speaking), to the point that a simple switch, er "flip," can make our RV-4 invisible. Herewith the evidence.

CLOAKING DEVICE "OFF"
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CLOAKING DEVICE "ON"
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WAM120RV,

Sorry for taking so long. I imagine you've worked past the control stick enclosure by now, but here are a couple of photos of how we did it. We basically cut the panel into four sections so we could easily access the area in the future.

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First pics of our RV-4 project

This is first time I try to upload a picture of our RV-4 project. So please be gentle if it does not work out right away.;)
Before Christmas we were working on the rudder parts. The pic shows the moment, when we did the cutouts in the rudder skin. In the meantime all parts were anodised and primed.

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It's kind of funny. A friend and myself aquired a part built RV-4. It was scatch built (from plans only!) in Switzerland by a sheet metal specialist. Great work! (I'll post some pics later) Structurally, it's almost finished, except for the rudder. The former builder could not decide if he needed a rudder trim. So he didn't start with the rudder itself. So we could start with the rudder construction as if we started from zero.
 
Engine has arrived!

A few days ago our engine has arrived by air freight. We had breight eyes like children in front of the Christmas tree.

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Unloading of the crate from the trailer was a bit unconventional. Once the crate was hoisted, the trailer was removed.

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Engine crate in our farm hangar.

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Ly-Con built O-360 A1A with roller tappets. It is equipped by 1 MAG and one LSE PLASMA III with the new mini crack sensor. It will get a Rotec TBI for inverted fuel capability. ...yes, we did choose that color of the casing ;)
 
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battling the heat in the garage

Relatively early in the fuselage process at this point. Right now things are going slow because the project just needs slight modifications in order to match all the measurements in the plans. 1/16th here and there...i'm sure you all know how that works.
any advice at this point as far as how picky to be about the vans measurements and specifications would be appreciated

here's a few photos of marginal quality because they came from a webcam:
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Duct diving

Mounting a Dynon compass module on an aft bulkhead where it's nice and non-ferrous. My daughter thought these were hilarious, but that might have had something to do with the 'audio accompaniment'. :)
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Trial engine hanging

We put on the O-360 on our RV-4 for a first trial fit yesterday night.

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We do not have a workshop crane available as it is mostly common. So we hoisted our engine with the fixed installation you see on the pic above and moved the fuselage for alignement.

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Markus with aligned engine ready to be installed.

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Myself mounting the upper Lord mounts and bolts. We only installed the upper bolts, because the engine is only hanged to get the right positions for all the stuff on the firewall.

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Engine is in place. Note the protections on the engine mount for installation.

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It was midnight and we called it a day, with a grin on our faces. We placed a bag of lead shot on the tail for safety. Without it, the tail is very light to lift.
 
Wow!

The resourcefulness of amateur airplane builders never ceases to amaze me!

I've seen them use forklifts to tractor three-point hitches and block-and-tackles over tree limbs, to lift engines.

Nice work,
 
The resourcefulness of amateur airplane builders never ceases to amaze me!

I've seen them use forklifts to tractor three-point hitches and block-and-tackles over tree limbs, to lift engines.

Nice work,

The Swiss don't have a lot of extra room to pile junk around their house/shop like we do........... So I can understand why every builder doesn't have Harbor Freight hoist................ http://www.harborfreight.com/2-ton-foldable-shop-crane-35915.html ...........:D
 
Gus

We were lucky to buy the RV-4 project from a previous builder. The structure was almost complete. So, he did most of the priming you see on the pics. He alodined and primed all the parts before assembly. He did most of it in the aerospace company he was working... That's the trick! But obviously it's not an option for everyone.

...and yes, we are trying to save on room wherever possible
 
I am deeply jealous.

That is the perfect RV4 to buy. Made by a professional so you don't have to deal with the old plans and done with exceptionally good equipment.

I am not going to ask how much you paid for it or else I will feel like I missed out even more than I do now.

Make sure ypu keep posting, I would love to see what it looks like as you do.
 
214NY has wings!!!

Got the wings installed yesterday and powered up the panel for the first time (first time IN the aircraft) on Thursday!!!

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Andrew,

Where did you source the lettering and pinstripe surrounds for the various switches on your instrument panel? It's an exceptional looking panel!
 
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