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Old 02-09-2018, 06:47 AM
337_Driver 337_Driver is offline
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Default RV4 Checkout....

Hey everyone, I'm new to the site and would like to say thanks for having me! I'm purchasing an RV4 in the next 2 weeks, I have a couple in mind, but I have not flown one. I do have a fair amount of recent tail wheel time, and owned a citabria previously. Is there anyone on here that can help me find an RV4 check out or transition training in the Tucson AZ area? I will be in AZ for the next 6 months for work. Thanks in advance, I'm looking forward to meeting some of you and when I purchase my aircraft getting to become a more contributing member to the vans air force.

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Old 02-09-2018, 07:24 AM
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It's highly unlikely that you'll find anybody who will give you training in an RV-4 as the visibility from the back is poor and there are no rudder pedal kits available for the -4. If your tailwheel skills are really good and you've flown any RV-series airplane, that may be as good as you can do.

What does your insurance company say?

When I bought my -4, my skills were really good and I flew it well with no transition training. Not bragging, but that was before all the transition training folks were in business.

Read up on flying the -4. It's great solo, but with somebody in the back seat, the same stick pull that gives 2 Gs solo will give you 5 Gs. Pay attention to the aerobatic CG limits -- many folks have won Darwin awards when they ignored them.

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Old 02-09-2018, 07:59 AM
337_Driver 337_Driver is offline
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I've sat in a 4 but no actual flight time. One I'm looking at had rear pedals, the other does not. I have Citabria and cub time, flown handful of other aircraft and fly light twins commercially. I haven't fully bought the transition training idea yet. An rv is just another airplane and I don't think the transition is really necessary, but I would like to have someone ride along for a few trips around the pattern. As for my insurance they are fine with a cfi ride along for 2 hours. No transition or anything required. They don't really care if the cfi has any rv time as long as he/she has 150 hrs tw time. Glad to hear not everyone thinks rvs require 747 type training. Lol I've been told you actually don't have to dance on the rudder as much with the rv4 as you would a Citabria. Any truth to that?
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Old 02-09-2018, 08:46 AM
TomRV8 TomRV8 is offline
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Originally Posted by 337_Driver View Post
I've been told you actually don't have to dance on the rudder as much with the rv4 as you would a Citabria. Any truth to that?
I'll vouch for that. Had 1 hour in a Citabria prior to flying my RV4 for the first time. The -4 lands and handles much easier on the ground...
Tom Chapman
San Antonio, TX
Building RV-7A Tip Up IO 360 A1B6
Flying RV-4 since 1988
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:03 AM
mbuehler mbuehler is offline
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You can get rudder pedals for an RV4, mine has them. There won't be brakes back there though which would give most people some pause

I did my transition training in an RV7, and aside from sight picture it flew just like my RV4 (to my new-to-RV self). There is somebody in CA that does that. A day or so with him and you'd be all set. All my previous time was in a Citabria as well, and the RV4 is easier to fly on all counts
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:23 AM
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Default Checkout in a RV-6 or RV-7

My insurance company wanted a sign off from a CFI in a RV-6. I went to Jan Bussell in Central Florida.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:05 PM
luddite42 luddite42 is offline
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Originally Posted by 337_Driver View Post
I've been told you actually don't have to dance on the rudder as much with the rv4 as you would a Citabria. Any truth to that?
I don't relate to the comments that the RV is easier. IMO the Citabria is virtually the easiest most forgiving tailwheel airplane ever. You can land them with sinful slop that the airplane just shrugs and soaks up. You can practically take your feet off the rudder on rollout. Unless there is something wrong with it, any pedal pumping dancing on the rudders in a Citabria is just pointless hyperactivity on the part of the pilot. The RV is about as easy and stable as they come as well, just more responsive and with lighter rudder pressures on the ground compared to the Citabria. You should have no trouble with the RV if you are a current and basically competent tailwheel pilot. Your insurance requirements may be the biggest question mark for you. You will probably overshoot some power off approaches initially because the airplane is so clean with a low descent rate at 1.3Vso and doesn't slip well compared to the Citabria. Much more floaty on landing if you carry a few un-needed KTS.

My only caution to you about the RV which has bitten some pilots new to the design is that the RV has one of the lowest aspect ratio wings of anything out there. Quick and high drag build at high AOA. If you get into a situation where you're power off, too slow, with a high descent rate, and try to arrest it with elevator only (bad move in any airplane), you can slam through ground effect in a way that's less forgiving than some other airplanes. You can bend/break something even with those flexy spaghetti gear legs. Super straightforward airplanes.

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Old 02-09-2018, 05:41 PM
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Not Arizona... but the experience is well worth a trip to Houston (south).

Bruce Bohannon is approved by Gallagher Insurance (and others) for RV -3,-4, and -8 transition training, he'll sign you off when you're ready, and he won't milk your pocketbook. Bruce uses an RV-8 (LODA) with rear seat rudder and brakes. Quality transition training is priceless, and Bruce will treat you right. Search the forums for "Bohannon" for testimonials.

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Old 02-09-2018, 06:41 PM
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When I purchased my 4 I had 20 min stick time in a 6 from a few years earlier and the 20 min flight from the back seat of the plane I was buying. My limited TW time consisted of 20 hrs on a PA18-150 Supercub and 10 hrs on a Citabria. My only other flying time was in Cessna 150 and 172's (about 400 hrs). Probably not the smartest thing I ever did, but 450 hrs and 3 years later the 4 and I are still around, although the 4 has been sold and I am now flying a 7 I built.

The 3 biggest adjustments for me were the light stick forces, small control movement requirements and the speed.

After my first TO I flew 30 min to a smaller airport with a 3900' paved runway and did some ccts. I was able to land it but found it really liked to float. I found this was due to the idle being set too high at 700 rpm and she didn't want to stop flying. It was a new plane once the idle was set to 550 rpm...easy to land, just keep it on speed. No dancing on the rudder pedals required in my experience. Just give it what you need to keep it pointed in the right direction.

As for the speed...probably not an issue for a 337 Driver...but for me, after being used to 100 kts or so IAS, at 140-150 IAS things happen a lot quicker, especially when you approach an airport for the cct. The nice thing with the RV is that you can pull the power back 8 mi out and slow down until you get more comfortable.

With the TW experience it sounds like you have I don't think you will have a problem. Try and get an hour in the back with the present owner to get the stick feel or get a ride in any 2 place RV, preferably TW, and you will eliminate the pucker factor.

Good luck! You will have a blast in the 4!!

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Old 02-10-2018, 06:30 AM
Scott Hersha Scott Hersha is offline
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Blue Sky Aero at Morris, Illinois (C09) does tailwheel training in an RV4. They are also supposedly getting an RV8 for training soon. AND they also have a Citabria, and I believe a Stearman for training as well.
(815) 252-1031.
Under 'contact us' - John Musgrave
RV6/2001 built/sold 2005
RV8 Fastback/2008 built/sold 2015
RV4/bought 2016/sold/2017
RV8/2018 built/Sold(sadly)
RV4/bought 2019 Flying
Cincinnati, OH/KHAO

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