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Old 12-27-2016, 10:11 PM
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Skylor, you are correct in that we ARE builders here. This QB Fuse is my first QB experience, so still not knowing fully what to expect until it arrives. That said, if it is clearly in the instructions about installing this hardware, then it should be a no brainer.

Certainly, with this SB out now, it will clearly be on my radar early on in the fuse project!

I will let everyone know what is or is not done already about this when this kit shows up in the next week or two...
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:02 AM
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Well apparently I'm an idiot because I missed the bolts. Didn't track down whether the plans or instructions were clear so I would have an excuse as that just doesn't matter. The bolt holes were empty.

Yesterday, Ron Moring made the trip via automobile to lend a hand. I worked at it for probably an hour before he got there taking out the interior, floor plans and such then Ron and I probably were after it for 6.5 hours before all 12 bolts were in, then it was time for pizza and beer! I still have to put the innards back together so you can add that time.

We drilled the holes in the top of the box. The service bulletin shows one on each side, top and bottom towards the outer holes, and I assume the idea would be to remove the control column or have really tiny hands to work through the hole in the spar carry through where column goes through. That wasn't going to get it so we drilled 2 additional holes in the top of the box to facilitate that. Didn't want to drill holes through the bottom skin.

We fished the nuts through the holes with a heavy piece of copper wire wrapped around the nut and being hot glued together with the washer. Ron's idea and it worked well, even for the bottom bolts. Then, with a variety of wrenches and a ground down crow's foot we were able to hold the inside nuts while the bolts were torqued. McGuyver would have been proud.

Some of you will no doubt be convinced that the additional holes in the top of the box will cause a catastrophic failure that will find me in a ball of fire in the middle of a corn field, so please, don't ride with me.

My kit was one of the last QB's built before the -1 (serial 82898)and even though the -1 was available, i took it as Van's offered me a $500 discount to get it off their inventory. A decision I've regretted quite a number of times.

My thanks to Ron for his help and enginuity.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:48 PM
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Did anyone have trouble getting the bolts in holes? It seems like some of the holes need to be reamed.
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:09 PM
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Never Mind!! Right after I posted this...'Light dawned over Marblehead' and I went out and tried different combinations of bolts in the various holes until I got them to fit.
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:15 PM
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Well apparently I'm an idiot because I missed the bolts. Didn't track down whether the plans or instructions were clear so I would have an excuse as that just doesn't matter. The bolt holes were empty.

Yesterday, Ron Moring made the trip via automobile to lend a hand. I worked at it for probably an hour before he got there taking out the interior, floor plans and such then Ron and I probably were after it for 6.5 hours before all 12 bolts were in, then it was time for pizza and beer! I still have to put the innards back together so you can add that time.

We drilled the holes in the top of the box. The service bulletin shows one on each side, top and bottom towards the outer holes, and I assume the idea would be to remove the control column or have really tiny hands to work through the hole in the spar carry through where column goes through. That wasn't going to get it so we drilled 2 additional holes in the top of the box to facilitate that. Didn't want to drill holes through the bottom skin.

We fished the nuts through the holes with a heavy piece of copper wire wrapped around the nut and being hot glued together with the washer. Ron's idea and it worked well, even for the bottom bolts. Then, with a variety of wrenches and a ground down crow's foot we were able to hold the inside nuts while the bolts were torqued. McGuyver would have been proud.

Some of you will no doubt be convinced that the additional holes in the top of the box will cause a catastrophic failure that will find me in a ball of fire in the middle of a corn field, so please, don't ride with me.

My kit was one of the last QB's built before the -1 (serial 82898)and even though the -1 was available, i took it as Van's offered me a $500 discount to get it off their inventory. A decision I've regretted quite a number of times.

My thanks to Ron for his help and enginuity.

Jesse, my QB is serial number 81592 shipped in 2001 and Vans says that my wing is a -1. Are you sure yours is not?
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:32 PM
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With trepidation I went to the hanger last weekend to check on the studs of the mystery bolts. My 8 has been done since 11/13 and is serial number 81415. The bolts were there; lucky me (in a sick way I was looking forward to taking it apart and trying to construct tools to get the nuts on). I did pull out the plan page, drawing #11 (older kit) and read thru the construction manual - there is no call out for these bolts on the drawing or reference to them in the construction manual. Clearly I got lucky and they were installed.

Good luck to the builders who get to do this SB.

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Old 12-28-2016, 07:32 PM
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Well I feel better.
I stole an hour this afternoon and stopped by the hangar to take a look at my canoe. I did not have bolts in the holes but when I went back through the build manual to take a look at my initial QB survey work I found the instructions to install the bolts had a big yellow highlight and a note to myself to check if anything was supposed to be attached to these bolts before installing. Then later in the manual at the wing attach instructions I found a big note to myself that says "12 bolts from page 8-10, Dwg 64."
Big picture, I did not have the bolts but I did notice them not installed in my initial survey and would have caught it as the build continued.
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Old 12-29-2016, 07:24 AM
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Jesse, my QB is serial number 81592 shipped in 2001 and Vans says that my wing is a -1. Are you sure yours is not?
Actually, now that I think about it, the kit/builder number is assigned when you buy the empennage, (or whatever package you buy first) so it would have nothing to do with the vintage of the qb wings or fuse. I would think those don't get numbers assigned until someone actually buys them.
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Old 12-29-2016, 12:28 PM
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Jesse, my QB is serial number 81592 shipped in 2001 and Vans says that my wing is a -1. Are you sure yours is not?
On an RV-8 (or A), the designation of -1 means different things for the fuselage and wings.
There are a lot of 8's and 8A's that were built with a -1 wing but not a -1 fuselage.

A -1 wing means it is a wing kit after the date which 7 and 8 wing kits were being delivered with many parts common between them. The wing spars are basically the same, with the only significant difference being in the bolt hole pattern for attachment to the fuselage (so the wing kits are not interchangeable to a 7 or 8 fuselage). because of some minor changes in the wing spar at this point, an RV-8 with -1 wing got a 50 lb increase in approved aerobatic gross weight but the max. gross weight stayed the same.

A -1 fuselage means it is a fully match hole/prepunched fuselage kit (introduced sometime around 2005), vs a non match hole kit where for the most part only the skins were prepunched.
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Old 12-29-2016, 02:11 PM
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OK...let's REALLY open up a can of worms, and ask for opinions on these puppies!

http://www.peerlessaerospace.com/Pro...MG_VISULOK.pdf
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