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Old 10-11-2018, 08:37 PM
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Not including engine or prop changes (which are in a different category paperwork wise), what is the actual process for coordinating with the FSDO per op lims for a less but still “major change” like adding an autopilot? Is it simply a matter of getting verbal/phone approval with the FSDO (including test area) or will they require a form of some sort, and then perhaps have to approve it in written form as well? Put another way, is this something that can be done with a quick phone call in the morning and expect to be test flying as soon as I hang up the phone?
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:50 PM
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Not including engine or prop changes (which are in a different category paperwork wise), what is the actual process for coordinating with the FSDO per op lims for a less but still “major change” like adding an autopilot? Is it simply a matter of getting verbal/phone approval with the FSDO (including test area) or will they require a form of some sort, and then perhaps have to approve it in written form as well? Put another way, is this something that can be done with a quick phone call in the morning and expect to be test flying as soon as I hang up the phone?
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It depends on your operating limitations. Some simply require that you "notify the FSDO of your test area", and some require "approval in writing".
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:58 PM
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Thanks Mel. My op lims say I must “notify” and “obtain concurrence” from FSDO “as to the suitability of the proposed test area.” Doesn’t say whether it has to be written.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:00 PM
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Is an Auto-pilot addition/or change a Major Modification?

I'm asking Mel more than the OP.

I changed mine out during a bunch of stuff that was Major (read: Catto Prop) but it was just opportunistic. I knew I was going to fly off some Phase 1 either way.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:05 PM
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Is an Auto-pilot addition/or change a Major Modification?
I'm asking Mel more than the OP.
I changed mine out during a bunch of stuff that was Major (read: Catto Prop) but it was just opportunistic. I knew I was going to fly off some Phase 1 either way.
Yes, installing an autopilot modifies your control system and can affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:06 PM
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Along these lines.

We're replacing our IO-540-C4B5 with a IO-540 Thunderbolt.

And I added a yaw damper to our existing garmin system.

Should I go back to phase 1, or at least ask our FSDO if I should?
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:12 PM
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Not including engine or prop changes (which are in a different category paperwork wise), what is the actual process for coordinating with the FSDO per op lims for a less but still “major change” like adding an autopilot? Is it simply a matter of getting verbal/phone approval with the FSDO (including test area) or will they require a form of some sort, and then perhaps have to approve it in written form as well? Put another way, is this something that can be done with a quick phone call in the morning and expect to be test flying as soon as I hang up the phone?
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Thanks Mel. My op lims say I must “notify” and “obtain concurrence” from FSDO “as to the suitability of the proposed test area.” Doesn’t say whether it has to be written.
Back to the original question... I’m interested in how quick the approval process was for those who went back into phase 1 and who have similar operating limitations as I. Am I likely to get away with just a quick phone call?
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:20 PM
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IIRC, I had to fax my request, with proposed test area. Response was quick,; maybe a day or two at most.
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