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Old 09-19-2018, 08:15 AM
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I have heard that the ELSA operating limits now preclude IFR operation by incorporating the POH into the OL. Mel, is that true? Mine issued in 2012 allow IFR if so equipped.
You can modify the POH of an E-LSA as you wish. That's part of being an experimental aircraft - of any type.
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Old 09-19-2018, 09:25 PM
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Bradley,

If the feds quoted a revision of the POH I think youd be stuck.

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Old 09-21-2018, 01:24 PM
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If the feds quoted a revision of the POH I think youd be stuck.
That's simply not how it works and I don't believe they could do that if they wanted to do so.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:54 PM
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Brad,

I cant say I know for sure, so I hope youre right. Im just happy my OLs are written the way they are.

Rich
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:26 AM
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Brad,

I cant say I know for sure, so I hope youre right. Im just happy my OLs are written the way they are.

Rich
Does your POH say for flight in VMC conditions only, or for flight under VFR only. It matters because planes must be flown in accordance with their POHs as well as their operating limitations. And Ive seen SLSA POHs that read both ways.
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:13 PM
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Its not an issue for me because my OLs do not reference the POH, and they specifically allow night and/or IFR operation if properly equipped. My
OLs were issued in a March 2012.
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:21 PM
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Current ELSA Operating Limitations do not reference the POH.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:43 PM
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Current ELSA Operating Limitations do not reference the POH.
Yes, I agree. I was thinking about SLSAs.

Ive seen Operating Limitations for SLSAs that permit flight in IMC if properly-equipped, but whose POHs require flights to be under VFR. The difference between a VFR limitation and a VMC limitation matters, because the long cross-country for an Instrument Rating has to be flown under IFR rules even if flown in VMC. So an SLSA POH that limits flights to VMC allows a properly-equipped plane to be used for Instrument training while a POH that limits flights to VFR prevents the SLSA from being used for the required cross-country.

The RV-12 POHs that Ive seen limit flights to VMC but dont prevent flight under IFR rules (if properly equipped).
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:15 PM
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Mel, wasnt there a period when the OLs incorporated the POH? I seem to recall a thread on that subject.

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Old 09-22-2018, 09:26 PM
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Mel, wasnt there a period when the OLs incorporated the POH? I seem to recall a thread on that subject.
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Not that I recall. I'll have to do some research. Not tonight!
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