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Grass Runways and Weed Control

JonJay

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We have always sprayed at our Airpark to keep weeds in check, especially clover and dandelion. Some of the dandies can be a robust 12" in diameter at times.
However, there is concern over chemical application, our water source (well), and just generally folks concerned about chemicals .
It has been proposed that frequent mowing be used as a means of weed control instead of herbicide.
I would like to hear from grass runway owners and those that maintain them. What are your strategies? Does anyone feel weeds can be controlled by other than application of chemicals?
Pacific Northwest climate primarily bent and rye.
 
Pre emergent in the spring, 2-4D to control broadleaf weeds (most likely 1 application then spot spray the rest of the year as needed). Not too familiar with the NW and specifics with your weeds, but this is usually a good start. The part that is typically missed is a good pre emergent that will prevent the seeds from germinating in the first place.
 
I tried weed control - lots of money for a privet strip with limited results. I just mow every week weather the grass needs it or not. That seems to control them best.
 
Pre emergent in the spring, 2-4D to control broadleaf weeds (most likely 1 application then spot spray the rest of the year as needed). Not too familiar with the NW and specifics with your weeds, but this is usually a good start. The part that is typically missed is a good pre emergent that will prevent the seeds from germinating in the first place.

This is a great way to treat the area chemically. One thing you find is that if you are diligent about pre-emergent and other weed control methods for a few years, you can dial back the treatment plan. With fewer weeds, there will be fewer seeds to grow new weeds.
 
Be careful with the 2,4-D. It is deadly to many vegetable crops and can drift a long distance, miles! You don't want to end up in a lawsuit over it. It will do its job on many broadleaf weeds without hurting grass. I just mow my grass as short as I can so it will take longer to grow back.
 
Check Local golf clubs

Go and talk to the local golf club care staff and see what they do.

A reel type /rotary scissor fairway mower can rapidly shave your field to 1" everywhere provided it is rolled smooth and free of rocks.

With a lot of weeds, pulling them by hand with a line of volunteers (like a FOD walk on a carrier deck), can be an early AM or evening social event.

Good Luck!
 
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The weeds are trying to tell you something.

Ok, so first, I am an engineer by trade am not a farmer, however I have lived on a farm most of my life and both my brother and father are farmers. They would be quick to tell you that the weeds are trying to tell you something. We would have what is arguably the best grass airfield in the state and it has no irrigation nor do we use any herbicides or insecticides. Most grasses that we try to grow on airfields are relatively short rooted and need high nutrient levels near the surface. Many of these weeds you talk about have much deeper tap roots that are able to reach deep into the soil. They in turn will bring nutrients to the surface, which once mowed/slashed will decompose on the surface and become available to the grass, and eventually the grass will take over. If you spray these "weeds" you will stop them from performing this benifinial lifting work. To accelerate this grass domination process you can add an NPK fertilizer, correct your pH, or add a trace element of necessary, however if you are going to go down this path, I would strongly recommend you do a leaf or soil test to determine what is lacking, otherwise you are just throwing away good money that will either leach into the sub soil or break down and disappear into the atmosphere. Most farm stores near you will be able to provide this service or put you in contact with someone that can, as this is a very common practice these days. Testing is generally far cheaper than blindly throwing fertilizer at a problem.
Back to the mowing/slashing side of things, try to keep your grass on the longer side of the tolerable range if you can before you cut it, but not so long that the mowing swaths leave mulch so heavy that it kills what is beneath it. If you cut things down to the boards regularly, them there will be little root mass beneath the surface. This root mass is the plants inertia that helps it ride through dry and west times without dying off. Generally a mower or slasher that chops the grass up well and distributes it evenly will be more benifinial than one that lays it down in heavy narrow swaths.
Regarding the use of 2,4-D and other such compounds, using these in a situation to try and fix a pasture/lawn problem is like taking antibiotics or antiviral tables to correct an illness when you are living on a diet of fast food and soda. If you correct the diet, the illness will generally take care of itself, it's just that for the last 50 years chemical manufacturers have ingrained in us that we need to be spending he money on killing what we don't want when all we had to do was focus on encouraging the plants that we do want to grow.
For more information on this approach a farmer by the name of Peter Andrews has written two books on this topic ("Back from the brink" and "Beyond the brink") and even for an engineer they are a riveting read. They will completely change the way you look at farmland and the landscape in general.
It is encouraging that you are thinking about your groundwater. As someone who has previously operated as a crop duster loader and applied more gallons of chemicals in an hour than most people will see in a lifetime and seeing the birth defects and other problems caused by these chemicals, we have a saying that if it kills sh-t, it kills you. Every one of the chemicals or compounds now banned for general use (asbestos, many organophosphates etc.) were once defined by the governments(s) as "safe", so I treat anything that is designed to kill other organisms (plant or animal) with utmost caution. 2,4-D especially so, as its one half of Agent Orange.
I hope this is of some help and if you want further assistance with diagnosing the root cause of you lack of grass dominance, PM me and I can put you in touch with some pasture specialists who can assist you further.
Cheers.
Tom.
 
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Runway grass length

I have maintained my runway here at home for almost 30 years. Not of golf course quality but not bad. Michigan State University agricultural school suggests 3 1/2" length for natural weed control. It looks good at that length but I cut it at 2 3/4" for less drag on the wheels. The RV-7 could care less about the drag but the Cessna 140 needs all the help it can get.
 
Finishing mower can help. Steam is an effective spot weed killer but not practical for an entire strip. Anyone nearby have a yeomans plow with a crumble roller?
 
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The basics

Don't mow too low, especially when the grass is stressed (heat or drought). I mow our mostly fescue turf 3 1/2 to 4 inches in the heat of the summer, and 2 1/2 in the spring and fall. I'm in USDA Zone 7. Some grasses will tolerate lower mowing than others.
Don't remove more than 1/3 of the leaf at any mowing.
Some broadleaf weeds can be controlled by cultural means. (lower or frequent mowing) Others cannot. White clover is almost impossible to control by low mowing, and if left unchecked, it will take over completely.

Chemicals: Pure 2-4D will get most broadleaf, but will not effectively control clover. For white clover you need a chemical combination containing dicamba (or something comparable). I use Tri-Mec.
Tri-Mec Plus will also help control annual grasses, and is much less expensive than granular pre-emergence. (Halt's etc)

I am a minimalist when it comes to chemicals. Spot treat and treat for your specific problem.

The best way to control weeds is to have healthy turf. Fertilize (soil testing will keep you from wasting money), aerate and overseed annually. But it generally takes some chemical to initially get weed free, and THEN good maintenance will minimize the use of chemicals.

These tips apply to most cool season grasses (fescue, bluegrass, etc). The warm seasons grasses (Bermuda, etc) require somewhat different methods.
 
Excellent and well educated responses. Thank you all.
We have over ten acres just in runway and green space, so it is a lot to deal with. I have contacted the WSU Extension Service for some help also.
 
Excellent and well educated responses. Thank you all.
We have over ten acres just in runway and green space, so it is a lot to deal with. I have contacted the WSU Extension Service for some help also.

Probably the best source of information. Each region's grasses are different. They might have good herbicide reports developed from regional university extension stations already. That is where I have found the most reliable information and comparison of efficacy of different formulations.
 
Probably the best source of information. Each region's grasses are different. They might have good herbicide reports developed from regional university extension stations already. That is where I have found the most reliable information and comparison of efficacy of different formulations.

Thanks Bill. I agree. My Dad worked for OSU (Oregon State) as an Extension Agent for 27 years. He has also been retired for 27 years but I am pretty sure they don't use DDT anymore ;)
 
Work with your extension agent as you have already done so. There are formulas of 2,4D acids that are very low to no volatility, and would help saften up the possibility of getting somebody's garden. Mind labeled rates, talk with your local agricultural service retailer as well for recommendations. Used responsibly these are safe, but good to be safety conscious. Yes for clover you'll need some dicamba (use DGA safened type) , and see what the golf courses use for preemerge herbicides legal for that application. I could PM you some brand names (I am a sales manager for a large ag chem wholesale distributor)
 
My approach has been to simply mow, on a regular basis. No chemicals used. This was on the advice of our local seed store in Justin, Texas.

If we applied any weed killer, it would wipe out 70% of our ground cover. While we do have several grasses growing, a large part of it is various broad leaf grassy weeds and flowers.

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I know it is considered invasive in some places, but I like Zoysia grass in my yard. Very dense root system that chokes out everything around it.

Downside is that it turns yellow / white in cold climates as it goes dormant.
It also doesn't grow very quickly, and seeding is difficult. Most applications are via thousands of individual plugs.

Upside is that it is very robust and greens up nicely when temps return.

Don
 
Don't use Zosia

Ask me how I know:D

You would need to be a commercial Sod operation to keep a zoysia runway.

It will get soft and spongy if you let it grow to 4" and will need constant watering in the summer if it were not to rain often. First cold snap it goes dormant to an ugly brown. But on the bright side, cinch bugs aren't a problem with it.
 
Our 2000 ft x 50 wide in Northwest Ga is primarily bermuda. The farmer who get the hay on the balance of the filed uses pre emergent in the EARLY spring . That seems to kill out the weeds. We have no irrigation so rainy spring produces great grass and dry seasons can be hard on it. bermuda likes to be cut and does not grow tall or spindly. The worst enemy is "Dallis Grass" may not be the official name but is a blade grass that grows in clumps and will take over the bermuda if not sprayed with 2 -4 D . It Is a constant battle when really wet. As for cutting usually every 8 to 10 days down to 2 inches.
In the early spring I put 2 or 3 20tn dump trucks of sand material from a local wash plant ( has Zero mineral growth value) and drag in with a tractor and cross tie type drag. Fills in the washboard effect and bermuda grass loves it. If I could put in a picture of it I would !!! sent me a text 7708 two three3426 and I'll will return a picture for interested persons.
 
I used to dream of building a grass runway. (Now I dream of finishing my RV7.) Glad to read the ideas about grass types. I used to think I would sow the "landing zone" (first third on each end) with a grass that would hold up to many landings. Hey, I dreamed of having fly-ins at our bed-and-breakfast, so there would be lots of landings, right?

Also, I thought it would be a good idea to crown the runway so the water would run off to the sides.

This is a good thread and should be helpful to several folks.
 
Our 2000 ft x 50 wide in Northwest Ga is primarily bermuda. The farmer who get the hay on the balance of the filed uses pre emergent in the EARLY spring . That seems to kill out the weeds. We have no irrigation so rainy spring produces great grass and dry seasons can be hard on it. bermuda likes to be cut and does not grow tall or spindly. The worst enemy is "Dallis Grass" may not be the official name but is a blade grass that grows in clumps and will take over the bermuda if not sprayed with 2 -4 D . It Is a constant battle when really wet. As for cutting usually every 8 to 10 days down to 2 inches.
In the early spring I put 2 or 3 20tn dump trucks of sand material from a local wash plant ( has Zero mineral growth value) and drag in with a tractor and cross tie type drag. Fills in the washboard effect and bermuda grass loves it. If I could put in a picture of it I would !!! sent me a text 7708 two three3426 and I'll will return a picture for interested persons.

4800 x 80 in central MS. Ours is bermuda, too, and our primary invader is also 'dallas grass', due to how common it is on the surrounding land (yards). We use MSMA (or the generic replacement), typically a few weeks after the dallas grass has gotten going.

If you have much clay (we do), and you don't have a good crown, it'll likely be soggy for days after a rain.

Best advice so far is to contact the local state/county ag agent. Bermuda is great (good root structure; doesn't grow too fast; stays relatively low) if your climate will support it, but it's not going to work everywhere.

Charlie
 
Yes, Bermuda is good. But it requires a lot of water. And it likes to be mowed often (every 3rd day), and short, around 2 to 2.5".
Our runway has some of this on the south end. The runway is flat here. It is sloped a bit on the north half, with excellent drainage. The soil does not hold enough water to support Bermuda on our north half.

Good, frequent mowing is the best defense against weeds. Plus, when it's all mowed (weeds and all), it looks pretty darn good!
 
Our 2000 ft x 50 wide in Northwest Ga is primarily bermuda. The farmer who get the hay on the balance of the filed uses pre emergent in the EARLY spring . That seems to kill out the weeds. We have no irrigation so rainy spring produces great grass and dry seasons can be hard on it. bermuda likes to be cut and does not grow tall or spindly. The worst enemy is "Dallis Grass" may not be the official name but is a blade grass that grows in clumps and will take over the bermuda if not sprayed with 2 -4 D . It Is a constant battle when really wet. As for cutting usually every 8 to 10 days down to 2 inches.
In the early spring I put 2 or 3 20tn dump trucks of sand material from a local wash plant ( has Zero mineral growth value) and drag in with a tractor and cross tie type drag. Fills in the washboard effect and bermuda grass loves it. If I could put in a picture of it I would !!! sent me a text 7708 two three3426 and I'll will return a picture for interested persons.

That right there may have been the post worth the whole year of VAF donations for me. Hop-Along could always use some mogul conrtol, and I was never sure a vibratory roller was the right answer.
 
In the early spring I put 2 or 3 20ton dump trucks of sand material and drag in with a tractor and cross tie type drag. Fills in the washboard effect and bermuda grass loves it.

I agree the Bermuda grass loves sandy soil. Mower blades are not so lucky. My farm has relatively sandy soil and it eats a set of heavy duty mower blades every season.
 
I agree the Bermuda grass loves sandy soil. Mower blades are not so lucky. My farm has relatively sandy soil and it eats a set of heavy duty mower blades every season.

I change the blades on my push mower two times each mowing season. And this is for my personal lawn, 419 tiff Bermuda (fairway grass).
My mower shop recommends buying new blades vs. sharpening the old ones. Not that much cost difference.
 
Also, I thought it would be a good idea to crown the runway so the water would run off to the sides.

I have a friend that put a decent crown on his grass runway. Early one morning I flew in with plenty of dew on the grass. It was a weird experience as I started sliding sideways down the crown. I was just hoping I would come to a stop before getting to the edge of the runway. (I did) I suspect I didn't hit the runway dead center.
 
As for mowing the bermuda, we never touch it with a tractor or bush hog. Use a Xmark 60 inch mower and cut it in 1/2 the time and great results. Usually start on the centerline and throw all the grass to the outside.
 
Soil pH is key

You will be on the right track after talking to the local extension office. I have found that the key to managing turf grasses is to focus on the soil pH. If the pH is off, the grasses cannot absorb the nutrients. When I was younger I had a problem with the grass turning yellow and I would add more fertilizer, it would green up for a few days and then go yellow again, I had the soil tested and the pH was 3.4. I had to add 1 ton of lime per 1000 square feet to get the pH to neutral (6.8-7.0). Because of all the nutrients that I had added were locked up due to pH, when the lime was added it released it. I had to cut grass every day for a month or more. If I missed a day due to rain, I had to cut it twice the next day. Lesson learned! Once you get the pH right and add nutrients, the grass will choke out most weeds.
 
As for mowing the bermuda, we never touch it with a tractor or bush hog. Use a Xmark 60 inch mower and cut it in 1/2 the time and great results. Usually start on the centerline and throw all the grass to the outside.

We use a BobCat 61" mower. It does a real nice job. I posted several photos here.
 
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