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Old 01-12-2015, 08:41 PM
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I couldn't find this on their website. Was it custom??
Just give them a call, I think they keep some in stock.
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:27 PM
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Default Hinge points leak

Your cover looks great but the real point of leakage on a tip up is the hinges. If the rubber seal is installed properly, the hinges will be the only place it will leak.

I always carried a roll of the blue painters tape, 1" wide, to tape the gap when parked. Tape the gap, put the canopy cover on. Even more important with a tail dragger. Worked great.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:56 PM
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Give me some of that magic dust to sprinkle on my plane!
+1! (and extra words)
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:57 PM
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Your cover looks great but the real point of leakage on a tip up is the hinges. If the rubber seal is installed properly, the hinges will be the only place it will leak.

I always carried a roll of the blue painters tape, 1" wide, to tape the gap when parked. Tape the gap, put the canopy cover on. Even more important with a tail dragger. Worked great.
Yep, except I use vinyl tape.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:28 AM
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Almost 22 years. No problem!
Mel,

You have said this several times. Would you (have you) shared how you achieved a leak free fitting of the tip-up? I, among many, would like to join the leak free club. Pictures are very helpful.
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Old 01-13-2015, 09:49 AM
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Lightbulb "Magic Dust" What a Great Idea!!!

... This looks like a fabulous new product for us to bring to market. Easy to ship, we have a lifetime supply in stock, easy to stand behind forever, easy to use and install, works on anything, looks like the perfect product. Why didn't we think of this sooner. Even after paying a large royalty to Mel for letting us use his idea it looks like a high profit venture. Let us know your thoughts. Thanks, Allan
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Old 01-13-2015, 10:07 AM
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Great job and idea.

One of the main issue with getting water behind the panel is when we open the canopy during rain. I have worked on my seal a couple of times and believe have achieved good result, perhaps a complete leak-free canopy when it is closed. But if I open it during one of those down poor, I am sure I will get a good amount of water on my instruments. The fabric cover ought to do the job for me.
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Old 01-13-2015, 03:52 PM
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In the post I noted that I have replaced the standard seal from the kit with a larger one, which was just a 1/4" round hollow seal that I purchased at Home Depot. I have flown in light rain several times and have not seen any water leak in. It works fine in flight but I think lets some in if it encounters standing water. The problem I have had with leaks came about on two occasions. One, the airplane was parked in Ft Lauderdale and there was an overnight downpour with high winds. I'm talking a deluge. Since a cover was on the canopy, I had not taped the seal. The wind lifted the cover a bit and the water pushed in. When I opened the canopy the next day, there was probably a cup of water on the floorboard. Some had found its way into the radio, and although i could hear, the tower reported only squealing when I transmitted.

The second occurrence happened when I was caught on arrival and landed with storms in the area. Just after I landed and taxi'd to the the ramp, the gully washer hit. Just the brief time for me to open the canopy, jump out and close the canopy put plenty of water in the area, and of course I was soaked. In hindsight I should have just sat out the 30 minutes in the cockpit.

Another time the canopy was wet after rain, and when opening it some water ran down the canopy, and of course found its way to where I didn't want it.

All of these times just made me very antsy whenever I was out and about and it rained. Particularly when camping for days at an airshow or traveling away from home and hanger. Even though I put a cover on the canopy when parked overnight. I feel that there is no longer a reasonable chance that water will impact anything. The gap in coverage at the hinges is the only weak point, but there are not instruments with 1" to either side of it. The lip of the seal flange where the foam seal is adhered protrudes 1/2" aft of the subpanel. The lip of the watershield is screwed to the subpanel underneath the overhang so any water which could possibly get past the seal would drip from the lip into the channel of the shield. I had previously made myself a fabric seal similar to that shown which seemed to work fine, except that when water puddled for a length of time then it seeped through. That was the case with the Ft. Lauderdale incident.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:29 PM
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In the post I noted that I have replaced the standard seal from the kit with a larger one, which was just a 1/4" round hollow seal that I purchased at Home Depot. I have flown in light rain several times and have not seen any water leak in. It works fine in flight but I think lets some in if it encounters standing water. The problem I have had with leaks came about on two occasions. One, the airplane was parked in Ft Lauderdale and there was an overnight downpour with high winds. I'm talking a deluge. Since a cover was on the canopy, I had not taped the seal. The wind lifted the cover a bit and the water pushed in. When I opened the canopy the next day, there was probably a cup of water on the floorboard. Some had found its way into the radio, and although i could hear, the tower reported only squealing when I transmitted.

The second occurrence happened when I was caught on arrival and landed with storms in the area. Just after I landed and taxi'd to the the ramp, the gully washer hit. Just the brief time for me to open the canopy, jump out and close the canopy put plenty of water in the area, and of course I was soaked. In hindsight I should have just sat out the 30 minutes in the cockpit.

Another time the canopy was wet after rain, and when opening it some water ran down the canopy, and of course found its way to where I didn't want it.

All of these times just made me very antsy whenever I was out and about and it rained. Particularly when camping for days at an airshow or traveling away from home and hanger. Even though I put a cover on the canopy when parked overnight. I feel that there is no longer a reasonable chance that water will impact anything. The gap in coverage at the hinges is the only weak point, but there are not instruments with 1" to either side of it. The lip of the seal flange where the foam seal is adhered protrudes 1/2" aft of the subpanel. The lip of the watershield is screwed to the subpanel underneath the overhang so any water which could possibly get past the seal would drip from the lip into the channel of the shield. I had previously made myself a fabric seal similar to that shown which seemed to work fine, except that when water puddled for a length of time then it seeped through. That was the case with the Ft. Lauderdale incident.
The run off is certainly something that would need to be solved. I have envisioned something like your solution, although just for the center section with the radios. Thanks for posting, I might be in need after my plane is flying!
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Old 01-13-2015, 09:14 PM
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Water leaks are the only real reason to dislike a Tip-Up in my experience but according to Van's, they have never had one leak......
I guess it doesn't rain in Oregon ;-).

I'm building a tipper, and am looking forward to the challenge of sealing this beast. Great post; it's been put into my archive as fodder for when I face the same issues. Thanks for sharing.
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