VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics

  #81  
Old 07-12-2019, 07:20 AM
N546RV's Avatar
N546RV N546RV is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 786
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BJohnson View Post
I listened to the EAA webinar and twice Fred Stadler suggested passing slow aircraft on the right if there was room in front. But the Notam says no passing? Did anyone else catch that?
That's veeery interesting. I remember him saying the same thing during the webinar last year. It stuck out like a sore thumb to me since it was in such flagrant conflict with the NOTAM.
__________________
Philip
-8 fuselage in progress (remember when I thought the wing kit had a lot of parts? HAHAHAHAHA)
http://rv.squawk1200.net
https://www.meetup.com/Houston-Area-RV-Enthusiasts/
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 07-12-2019, 03:06 PM
Electrogunner Electrogunner is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Quarryville ,pa
Posts: 469
Default Notam

I think
Be safe
Don’t do anything stupid to put you or others at risk
Watch for others
Be courteous to other pilots
Follow the NOTAM
Don’t fall into getthereitis

About sums it up.
__________________
RV10 N620RV
IO540 C4B5
Whirlwind 375HRT
Garmin G900X
First Flight 2/14/2019
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 07-12-2019, 08:32 PM
BJohnson's Avatar
BJohnson BJohnson is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Federal Way, Wa
Posts: 252
Default Agreed

I will bail out and go around rather than pass, but why would he mention passing twice in the webinar. It sends a mixed message.
__________________
Brice
RV-9A 90897 FLYING
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 07-12-2019, 09:34 PM
airguy's Avatar
airguy airguy is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 4,768
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BJohnson View Post
I will bail out and go around rather than pass, but why would he mention passing twice in the webinar. It sends a mixed message.
And gives plausible deniability to anyone busted for busting the NOTAM - not a good thing.
__________________
Greg Niehues - PPSEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2019 dues paid
N16GN flying 500 hrs and counting! Built an off-plan 9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 07-12-2019, 10:09 PM
Kyle Boatright Kyle Boatright is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 3,874
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by airguy View Post
And gives plausible deniability to anyone busted for busting the NOTAM - not a good thing.
All of this is somewhat subject to judgement. Let's say you come up behind a Cub that's doing 70 miles an hour. There are 2 miles of open space in front of the Cub, and you can hear the thrum of the prop from a Comanche that's right on your tail. Are you gonna help alleviate the situation or are you gonna have the Comanche and a dozen other airplanes jammed into the mile of space immediately behind you?

It is a judgement call, but my opinion is you're better off to pass the Cub.
__________________
Kyle Boatright
Atlanta, GA
2001 RV-6 N46KB
2019(?) RV-10
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 07-13-2019, 10:05 AM
N546RV's Avatar
N546RV N546RV is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 786
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Boatright View Post
All of this is somewhat subject to judgement. Let's say you come up behind a Cub that's doing 70 miles an hour. There are 2 miles of open space in front of the Cub, and you can hear the thrum of the prop from a Comanche that's right on your tail. Are you gonna help alleviate the situation or are you gonna have the Comanche and a dozen other airplanes jammed into the mile of space immediately behind you?

It is a judgement call, but my opinion is you're better off to pass the Cub.
I don't disagree with the safety argument at all, but my issue is more with the direct and stark conflict with the NOTAM here.
__________________
Philip
-8 fuselage in progress (remember when I thought the wing kit had a lot of parts? HAHAHAHAHA)
http://rv.squawk1200.net
https://www.meetup.com/Houston-Area-RV-Enthusiasts/
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 07-13-2019, 11:40 AM
Tom Martin Tom Martin is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,496
Default

From my perspective the biggest problem are the aircraft that can not, or worse yet, will not fly up to 90 knots. In my rocket I am fine at 80 knots but 70 knots is just not comfortable. Many many times I have encountered champs, 150s, etc flying at 60 to 70 knots. This just makes the system unsafe for the majority of the aircraft.
A better solution would be for more pilots to fly the higher, faster approach and safely lower down into gaps created by the slow pokes as you get closer to the airport.

I was out practicing at our local airport today, flying the Rocket, with a 172 in the circuit doing 80 knots. This was good practice and I had absolutely no issues but it did take a few circuits to get the kinks worked out. As many have mentioned being prepared for slow flight and landing in different locations on the runway are the key to a safe AirVenture.
__________________
Tom Martin RV1 pilot 4.6hours!
CPL & IFR rated
EVO F1 Rocket 1000 hours,
2010 SARL Rocket 100 race, average speed of 238.6 knots/274.6mph
RV4, RV7, RV10, two HRIIs and five F1 Rockets
RV14 Tail dragger

Fairlea Field
St.Thomas, Ontario Canada, CYQS
fairleafield@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 07-14-2019, 08:05 AM
dtw_rv6 dtw_rv6 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Martinsville, IN
Posts: 452
Default Practice slow flight at the edge of a stall.

You will be amazed at how controllable these aircraft are when sitting at the edge of a stall. I did this for over an hour a few years back - nose high, one notch of flaps, 60 knots at 5500 feet. I could maintain altitude while the aircraft burbled right on the edge of stall for as long as I wanted. took lots of power, and had to manage minor cooling issues. I could increase back pressure to get a clean stall/break, and it would instantly recover by relieving the pressure.

If you haven't done this, it is an eye opener to what is possible in these aircraft on the slow end. It might not be comfortable, but then again, it might just save your life!

I am not advocating you fly the approach at 60 knots. I am advocating that everyone put every bit of capability into their trick bag that is available. Procedural changes may or may not help me when the fur-ball flies, so my fundamental rule is:

Do no harm. Period.

Don
__________________
Better is the enemy of good enough!

Don

Last edited by dtw_rv6 : 07-14-2019 at 08:07 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 07-14-2019, 09:50 PM
Sue Sue is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Ok
Posts: 70
Default Oshkosh

One of my solutions to the OSH arrivals is
Over the railroad tracks at 1800’ and 90 knots
means just that. A half or quarter mile
To the left or right is not over the tracts.
1800’ means 1800, not 1600’ or 2000’.
Most of us have GPS, and mark one eyeballs
So why do I look out and see someone a half
Mile to the left or right and 200’ up or down?
I should be focusing on my twelve O’clock,
But anyway hope to see you guys there.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:06 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.