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Old 04-10-2018, 06:01 AM
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Default Rudder counterbalance locking

Hi,

Reading the following build log:
https://airplanebuild.com/2018/03/15...lance-and-top/

Notice a nifty assembly to prevent the counterbalance screws backing off or the lead compressing etc -as seen here http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...407#post704407

The recent post shows the assembly and also plans behind it - yet the plans I have, and also the plans on the vans site (amendments) donít show the assembly. Are these old plans and this assembly is no longer needed? (Seems like a better solution than locknuts and future rudder fairing surgery).
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:25 AM
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Surprising they don't have a spacer under that plate. I made two spacers with good area and tested for reaching the specified torque, it would not torque with standard washers for me. I also used a bed of proseal for good measure. It is a 7 but uses the same weight.

Off topic: I cast some lead weights and found that with a cold mold the lead would pillow like these. If the mold was preheated, the parts were smooth like the mold.
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:43 AM
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This is the image I am referring to:


Am I missing something that the version of the plans I have doesn’t show such a plate, but just a couple of washers / nuts?

Seems the plate is a better idea to me... than
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:24 AM
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I received my kit last November and I have the plans with the plate. I do think the earlier versions didn't have this, I did read older post where this was an issue.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:49 PM
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I received my kit last November and I have the plans with the plate. I do think the earlier versions didn't have this, I did read older post where this was an issue.
My kit did not have plate - wish it did! And I've done the fairings. Hopefully won't have a problem.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:37 PM
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I do think the earlier versions didn't have this, I did read older post where this was an issue.
I asked about this when I got to that stage in my build:

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=116779

It really bothered me to have a screw that could never be tightened after the plane was built. I'm glad to see that what I ended up doing is now shown as an acceptable solution.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:20 PM
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I just received my kit last week. I am now working on the rudder and I found that there is indeed nut plates supplied as indicated.
I hope they do not come loose.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:11 PM
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Iím curious why the elevators were not updated to match the rudder. Does anyone have any thoughts about making the same improvement to the elevator counterweights?
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:52 PM
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Iím curious why the elevators were not updated to match the rudder. Does anyone have any thoughts about making the same improvement to the elevator counterweights?
I made backing plates for my elevator counterweights - saw someone else's blog and used the same idea. If I had thought about it sooner, would have done same for rudder.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:20 PM
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I also did the same. The rudder had the nutplate plate change and I thought it prudent to incorporate into the elevators as well..

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