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Old 04-08-2018, 10:56 AM
Stockmanreef Stockmanreef is offline
 
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Default WH-00125: Running Common Wire Harness

Has anybody else purchased a common wire harness from SteinAir or Van's?

I am trying to figure out how to run the stick wire wire bundle. The issue is that the wires are connected up to a flat rectangular port connector. There is no way to run this connector through the 3/4" holes that they are supposed to go through. I assume that the connector has to be removed to run the wire bundle and then put back in place.

I assume that the wire bundle should not be free hanging in the area where the aileron pushrods are.

If there is a common wire harness with all the connectors on (I have not seen Van's wire harness), then why aren't the holes bigger than 3/4? Or have the holes notched like the rest of the holes for the wire harness that runs to the tail cone?

Am I missing something?

Is there another way to fix the wires in place?

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Old 04-08-2018, 11:21 AM
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Not there yet but soon. Is not the contact from the harness supposed to be connected at the stick base with another connector that goes up to the handle?
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Old 04-08-2018, 11:44 AM
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Sometimes I wish that I had not started this project. I am building slow, but apparently not slow enough to get the most up to date parts to the kit.

If one looks at Section 55, then one will notice that the holes where the stick wires run (a 3/4" hole) has an extra notch taken out so that the plug will run through it. There is no bloody way I can do this at this point.

Needless to say I am annoyed.

Not only that but I imagine that if you purchased the wire harness from Van's then one would have gotten all the snap bushings for running the harness. Now I have to go and buy them. Nickel and dimed to death.

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Old 04-08-2018, 11:56 AM
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I am trying to figure out how to run the stick wire wire bundle. The issue is that the wires are connected up to a flat rectangular port connector. There is no way to run this connector through the 3/4" holes that they are supposed to go through. I assume that the connector has to be removed to run the wire bundle and then put back in place.

I assume that the wire bundle should not be free hanging in the area where the aileron pushrods are. SNIP
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Here is another example of the RV-14 kit making decisions for builders that may not be what you want. For example the stick molex plug holder is useless if you decide to use something like the Infinity grip. Same goes for the wing molex plug holders.

For an RV-14A build I helped on the infinity grip cable comes out of the stick, makes a nice loop, then to an adel clamp on the seat frame. A D connector is added to allow for stick removal before the cable goes through the center bulkhead.

In short, look passed what the kit wants you to do and decide what you want.

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Old 04-08-2018, 12:01 PM
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Ken,

You may not like this answer but...

In addition the the plug not fitting through the holes it’s likely that the harness is too short to allow for full stick movement. Mine was. Cut off that plug and either make an extension or get one from Stein. I happen to know they make them. There is an older post about this I believe.

I think Vans addressed this but not in time for me or you.

I got the common fuse harness from Stein. Vans gets it from them so I just went direct so I could make a couple of changes. I also had them terminate the forward ends to match the avionics harness (which I also got from Stein.). That probably saved me weeks of work.

Hope this helps.
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Old 04-08-2018, 12:29 PM
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Sometimes I wish that I had not started this project. I am building slow, but apparently not slow enough to get the most up to date parts to the kit.
We all have days like that. More advanced kits contain more advanced traps.

I had two really crappy days on the -10 this week where a fair amount of pre-work I'd paid for and thought would be beneficial ended up having to be undone and reworked.

Fixed now, but one of those things where you're frustrated because the project seems to move backwards for a couple of days instead of making progress towards the finish line.
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Old 04-08-2018, 12:56 PM
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In my opinion and it's only my opinion, the Van's harness should only be purchased if you cannot do the wiring on your own. It's a generic harness and those like me that have a plan on what we want to accomplish , the harness makes it more difficult and not as clean an installation. Some of the harnesses were not available to the first lot of builders and I an now thankful for that as once I figured out what they were supplying I realized it would not accomplish what I wanted and at that point I removed quite a bit of what I had installed and made my own harnesses.
If this is a first time for you , then go ahead and install the harness as is, and be happy with what you have as it's probably better than what you would come up with.
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Old 04-08-2018, 01:39 PM
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Default Not an early kit but still a problem area

My kit is #329 and even with the “notches” and even though I tried everything I could think of, I could not get the molex connectors through there. So I cut them off, fished the wires through, and installed d-sub connectors. Still finishing up the wiring, so I don’t know that it all works yet. One of many minor frustrations, but still, overall a fantastic kit.
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Old 04-08-2018, 01:52 PM
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Yep, its easier to run your own wire. I've pulled 95% of the Vans supplied wiring out and installed new wire. A lot of money down the drain paying for wiring that came with the kit.
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Old 04-08-2018, 03:07 PM
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Well, I am having SteinAir build the panel and we talked about what I was going to install as far as lighting, pitot w heat, and autopilot. So I assume that the wire harness is fine. Maybe not.

My thought was that I was slow building everything and that I would spend some extra $$ on the avionics and electrical to not have to do all the wiring. Then I would not have to worry about how good of a job I did putting all the molex pins on and if I got all the wires to the right places.

Sure, I can just cut the wires and splice them. I am just a bit annoyed that I would have to after spending the $$ on the professionally built WH. I also wish that they would put on the snap fittings when putting the WH together so they don't have to be cut and stretched around the wire bundle.
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