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Old 03-18-2018, 08:19 PM
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I don't think the -7 is going anywhere for a long time. Its their "entry level" kit for a side-by-side two seater. Its cheaper than a -14 and it its a "niche" that the -14 can't really fill.

Its lighter, smaller, faster (with equiv. HP). climbs better and all around is just a slightly better performer for a cheaper price.

It's also much more versatile in build options. You can build it light and cheap, and power it with an economical smaller engine, or you can go on the other end of the spectrum. The -14 is kind of limited in build options (but for a very valid reason though).

Now, I am in no way, trash talking a -14. Its a superb airplane. It just targets a different audience. An audience that the -7 never really sold well to. I'd say that the -7 is like a "coupe" where the -14 is like a sedan. They're not very much different from each other, but JUST different enough that they attract different buyers. I don't think one substitutes the other, or is an upgrade to the other.

IMHO, the -7 and -14 are serving their markets very well, and probably aren't canabalizing sales for the other.
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:56 PM
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The 14 doesn't replace the 7, being more expensive to build and operate, no slider, weaker structure;
I am curious what the basis of the weaker structure part of your opinion is?

Have you seen the RV-14 gear drop tests?
The entire airplane was designed using FAR23 as a reference (meaning, tests weren't necessarily done to confirm compliance with every detail).
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:01 PM
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There are still significantly more RV6's flying than any other model, so I'm not sure what the definition of "most popular" is. Perhaps there are more sold and still under construction.

https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/first-flights.htm

As of March 15, 2018 10,086 RV aircraft have been completed and flown!

Listed by Model
RV-3 298
RV-4 1,416
RV-6/6A 2,636
RV-7/7A 1,679
RV-8/8A 1,454
RV-9/9A 1,082
RV-10 881
RV-12 587
RV-14/14A 53
Since the O.P.'s question was in the context of concern that it would be phased out of production.... the only thing that would cause that would be dwindling sales.

In the context of recent sales, Vic's statement is true. It is only natural I guess, since the model that the RV-7 replaced is just an improved version of the worlds most popular kit airplane.......
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:31 PM
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I had some time to kill so I ran the sales numbers divided by the number of years on the market.

The 7 has sold an average of 99 kits per year. The 14 has sold 9. The numbers don’t seem to show that the 7 is in danger of being displaced by the 14. In fact, the opposite appears to be the concern.

Here’s all of them. Units sold divided by years available.

3. 6.3
4. 26
6. 80
7. 99
8. 63
9. 68
10 59
12. 73
14. 8.8
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:45 PM
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I had some time to kill so I ran the sales numbers divided by the number of years on the market.

The 7 has sold an average of 99 kits per year. The 14 has sold 9. The numbers don’t seem to show that the 7 is in danger of being displaced by the 14. In fact, the opposite appears to be the concern.

Here’s all of them. Units sold divided by years available.

3. 6.3
4. 26
6. 80
7. 99
8. 63
9. 68
10 59
12. 73
14. 8.8
I don't think using the number of completions factored over years really tells the story.... there is lots of RV-7's still under construction.
If the number of years the 14 has been available factored against kit starts is taken into consideration, it is in somewhat the same position (only about 10% of the 14 kits under construction have flown).
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:23 AM
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I wasn’t trying to present a definitive analysis, just a different perspective.
Obviously the newest offering gets skewed a bit by its very newness.
There are lots of mitigating factors such as older Kits being started when newer kits that may have been otherwise chosen weren’t announced yet.
The good news for all of us is that the company and its product line appear to be quite healthy.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:10 PM
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When I was building my RV-7/A, there were many thoughts of converting it to a single seat configuration.
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Old 04-01-2018, 06:24 AM
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I believe those ratios are number of kits “completed” per years sold. I don’t think we know the actual number of kits sold per year by model.
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Old 04-01-2018, 10:41 AM
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I believe those ratios are number of kits “completed” per years sold. I don’t think we know the actual number of kits sold per year by model.
We sort of do, from the serial numbers. My 14A #404 was ordered about five years after the model was announced, meaning that Van's shipped about 80 starts per year on average, likely fewer in the early years and more in the later years. Thread here if someone is in the mood for some data mining.
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Old 04-02-2018, 05:55 AM
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Boy, I wish this was yesterday. I coulda had a whole lotta fun with this one.
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