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Old 02-12-2019, 01:02 AM
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Jim, I like your check list but I have a couple of questions.

1. Do you check the fuel level with the stick on every flight? For example, I usually fill mine untl a small amount of fuel runs out the overflow. That way I KNOW it is full. If you do that, do you still stick the fuel.

2. I presume that first canopy latch for taxi is partially open? And the second canopy latch is mtotally closed for takeoff?

3. At what point to you start engine, is it after Master Switch On

4. It seems like a very reasonable checklist.

5. Do you have any other checklists, climb, cruise, descent, pre-landing, etc. I am just curious as to how other pilots are approaching the checklist issues with the RV-12.

Thanks for your help. Because my history of flying jets with much more detailed checklists, I sometimes feel guilty like I am being lazy and leaving something out. So I would like to learn all I can from others on operating a very basic airplane like an RV-12.
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Just passed 140 hours flight time in RV-12, and 10,000 hours mostly in corporate jets. I am a CFI; CFII; MEI; and a advancd Ground Instructor, CFIG; and hoping to be able to help new RV-12 owners by doing some transition training for new builders and owners in RV-12's.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:59 AM
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I use only the one checklist, it provides best assurance that airplane is configured correctly for initial flight. I do have a list of V speeds which can be quickly referenced - see photo below.

The RV-12 does not have mixture or carburetor heat controls, so it in effect, it behaves like a FADEC which adds safety by simplifying pilot workload. Standard AIS markings (Green, White, Yellow, Red) and a bug set at 55 knots for stabilized approach keep things safe while in the air. The EMS will annunciate and automatically bring up screens for troubleshooting. Other than that, I feel itís best to keep eyes outside the airplane.


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80 hrs Flying Aeronca Chief 11AC N86203
1130 hrs Flying 46 Piper J-3 Cub N6841H
RV-12 E-LSA #120058 AWC July 2012 N633CM
RV-12 Bought Flying Oct 2015 with 48TT - Hobbs now 459

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Special Thanks... EJ Trucks - Crew Chief A-4 Skyhawk
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:41 AM
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Jim, I like your check list but I have a couple of questions.

1. Do you check the fuel level with the stick on every flight? For example, I usually fill mine untl a small amount of fuel runs out the overflow. That way I KNOW it is full. If you do that, do you still stick the fuel.

2. I presume that first canopy latch for taxi is partially open? And the second canopy latch is mtotally closed for takeoff?

3. At what point to you start engine, is it after Master Switch On

4. It seems like a very reasonable checklist.

5. Do you have any other checklists, climb, cruise, descent, pre-landing, etc. I am just curious as to how other pilots are approaching the checklist issues with the RV-12.

Thanks for your help. Because my history of flying jets with much more detailed checklists, I sometimes feel guilty like I am being lazy and leaving something out. So I would like to learn all I can from others on operating a very basic airplane like an RV-12.
1) No, I generally add a fixed number of gallons, unless I want it full. In that case I just wait until I hear/see fuel in the filler neck.

2) I am paranoid about the canopy latch. I check it at least twice (pre-taxi, pre-takeoff) with a random "Did I?" check every now and then.

3) I copied the Van's checklists almost verbatim - MASTER ON is in the PRE-START section, ENGINE START is the next chapter. I don't really like everything about their checklist and I customize my own (which is why I built the app - I found the Dynon Excel-based method cumbersome, but that's just me), but I thought it better to share the Van's version than something I cooked up.

4) Thanks, I think it's a good starting point for building your own list(s).

5) I have copied the Vans Normal Ops, Emergency Procedures, and Performance sections - there are three files in the shared folder, one for eqach chapter. I'm not sure I like having them in separate files, but the Skyview can only hold one at a time. I also didn't like the idea of it being a super-long, one-file setup either. The app makes it pretty easy to make chapters, but I haven't built a function to take separate files and create one big one, so that is an exercise left to the reader.

I'm basically giving the app away and providing the Van's checklists I've already made as samples for use in creating custom checklists that meet individual needs.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:35 AM
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Dave

Iím paranoid about the canopy also, especially after seeing a YouTube video where aft wind lifts the canopy and flings it into the prop.

I have added a bungee cord fastened to the horizontal angle that supports the seat back. The bungee cord stays attached to the canopy handle for the entire fight and is removed only when engine is shut down.
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80 hrs Flying Aeronca Chief 11AC N86203
1130 hrs Flying 46 Piper J-3 Cub N6841H
RV-12 E-LSA #120058 AWC July 2012 N633CM
RV-12 Bought Flying Oct 2015 with 48TT - Hobbs now 459

LSRM-A Certificate 2016
Special Thanks... EJ Trucks - Crew Chief A-4 Skyhawk
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