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Old 08-05-2019, 04:27 PM
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Default Ditching the 496

After flying 3.7 yesterday without my tablet, trying to decipher microscopic lettering on the tiny little 496 screen AND not having any ADS-B traffic or WX showing... I think it's time to look at replacing this relic of a bygone era.

For those of you who have done it, or are contemplating doing it... With what have you replaced your GPSMap 496, OR which product are you considering as its replacement? I'd love to drop in an Aera 660, but since it won't display ADS-B data from my existing gear, that's a no-go.

I've thought about:
  • Moving up to a Skyview ($$$$, even used, and a LOT of work)
  • iFly GPS 740b ($$$, not sure about the panel mount)
  • Aera 660 (Nope!! Won't talk to my ADS-B equipment)
  • Panel mounted tablet (Won't drive the autopilot)

So far the iFly 740b looks like the best option, but I don't know how much panel surgery will be needed. What else have you guys looked at or done to replace your 496?
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Old 08-05-2019, 04:30 PM
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I wouldn't trade my ifly 740 for any of them.
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Old 08-05-2019, 04:47 PM
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Why not continue with the tablet for traffic/weather/nav/info and just use the 496 for autopilot and backup 2nd GPS?

Everybody's happy and no steam gages like an old C172...

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Old 08-05-2019, 05:07 PM
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Dale,

Would you mind elaborating on what your ADS-B equipment is that the Aera 660 won't talk to. For my Rans S-6S I'm thinking of replacing my 396 with the Aera 660 since it will go right into my panel (where the 396 is) with a new Air Gizmos mount. I'd then get a GDL 50 to go with it for ADS-B in.

Then I just have to figure out how to deal with ADS-B out.

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Old 08-05-2019, 09:41 PM
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We installed a uAvionix EchoUAT. In addition to ADS-B OUT, it acts just like a Stratus or Stratux for ADS-B IN. Garmin products will only listen to Garmin products, so Garmin products are out.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:59 PM
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I love my ifly 740. They make a panel mount. Remove your gizmo dock for the 496, make a blocker plate for the hole, paint the plate to match panel, rivet it to the panel, install the surface mount and clip on the 740. The 740 will cover the entire blocker plate. It will look like it was done originally. Should take about 2 hrs tops to do the whole job.

This is the mount i used. Remove the four screw and discard the ram ball. The back of the mount is the screwed directly to the panel. It make a nice tight fit on the panel and hold very securely. I drilled a hole in the panel behind the gps to route the power, antenna and serial cable to the autopilot splitter switch. Either gps can drive the autopilot and hsi display on the d180.

https://www.iflygps.com/STORE/Produc...-mount-adapter


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Old 08-05-2019, 11:07 PM
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We installed a uAvionix EchoUAT. In addition to ADS-B OUT, it acts just like a Stratus or Stratux for ADS-B IN. Garmin products will only listen to Garmin products, so Garmin products are out.
Thanks Dale, I'm still pretty ADS-B ignorant. Sounds like I need to check out the fly 740 as well.

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Old 08-06-2019, 08:16 AM
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Why not continue with the tablet for traffic/weather/nav/info and just use the 496 for autopilot and backup 2nd GPS?
Several reasons. There are two of us flying the plane, and we have different tablets. The RAM mount we have works, but it's not very convenient and is difficult to use in turbulence - plus there's the need to swap mounts frequently. I love my Galaxy Tab S2, but I don't always remember to make sure I have it with me when I leave the house. No tablet, no traffic or weather or airport info.
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They make a panel mount. Remove your gizmo dock for the 496, make a blocker plate for the hole, paint the plate to match panel, rivet it to the panel, install the surface mount and clip on the 740. The 740 will cover the entire blocker plate. It will look like it was done originally. Should take about 2 hrs tops to do the whole job.
Great, thanks!! That's information I needed. I was looking for a good mounting solution, and missed the clip on the RAM mount. I found an AirGizmos dock, but it's more gadgetry than we need and won't fit the panel in landscape mode which I think we're going to prefer.

So far I haven't found or heard about anything other than the iFly that will do the job - the usual EFB/GPS/map display, ADS-B display, and serial output for the EFIS & autopilot. The iFly looks like pretty much a drop-in replacement for the 496 functionally and electrically. I'm not super wild about Windows CE, but I could get over that.
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Old 08-06-2019, 08:17 AM
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Thanks Dale, I'm still pretty ADS-B ignorant. Sounds like I need to check out the fly 740 as well.

Jim
Better fix that. You only have another 4-1/2 months to get equipped.
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Old 08-06-2019, 08:18 AM
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Similar situation though a 296 instead of the 496. Both have the same footprint.

Purchased an iFly 740B using the suction mount for a few months trying it out. The 296 was mounted in the panel. Liked the iFly so much more than the 296 decided to mount it in the panel and use the 296 as a back up on the suction mount. The 296 drove my autopilot.

Used the same ram mount without the ball to mount the 740. Cut a larger opening in the panel for the 740 where the 296 was mounted so that dealt with the 296 opening. Made brackets to hold the ram mount which held the iFly flush to the panel and angled towards line of sight. Power feed and data cable to the iFly are behind the panel out of sight. The data cable from the iFly now feeds the autopilot. The only thing I found was the ram mount did not make for a very stable mounting of the 740 since it attaches with a pretty small footprint to the 740. A couple of pieces of clear vinyl tubing between the fabricated brackets and the 740 stabilized it very nicely.

The iFly worked out so well the 296 is in my flight bag as a back up and will probably sell it. Once you are looking at the iFly as a chart and moving map i never looked at the 296 anymore.

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