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Old 11-20-2012, 01:47 PM
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Question flap brace cs or dimple?

does the flap brace receive dimpled or cs holes where it matches the hinge?
I think it is not allowed cs or dimple the hinge as I have recently seen
at one builders log blog!the instructions not really mention it.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:46 PM
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Default Countersunk

It would appear that it should be countersunk, which I discovered after dimpling. :-( I'm building a -7A and the manual is definitely lacking in this area! But see for example http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=63964. I will probably do as written there and flatten out my dimples and countersink.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:53 AM
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Default One of each

I found the same on my -7 when I built the first wing I dimpled so just counter sunk the hinge to allow. On the second wing I changed and counter sunk the brace. Really it makes no difference. I wouldn't however flatten and then countersink.
Countersinking the hinge is just a little more tricky.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:11 AM
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The skin gets dimpled, the brace gets c-sunk and the hinge half gets neither.


Think about it, why would you want to have to make the .040 brace dimples fit in a c-sunk hinge when if you c-sink the brace all it has to fit is the thinner skin dimples. Plus the c-sunk part gets sandwiched between two non-cs'd parts.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:42 AM
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Old thread, but some more info:

Vans recommends that after this not uncommon slip up (dimpling the flap brace), you can flatten the dimples (once), then countersink them. This is what I did. It was a hassle to do this, but I wanted it to be right. My wife had to help pry the brace away from the skin to give me access for countersinking since the brace was already riveted to the wing spar.

Another option Vans says is acceptable is to countersink the hinge and back it up with a strip of .025 sheet.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:43 PM
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Default I followed the plans be apparently still did it wrong

Reviving this old thread yet again.

I'm at the point where I'm ready to attach the flaps to the wing, but I can't find any instructions on how to accomplish this (other than the choice of hinge pin methods). As I started digging around here on VAF for info, I discovered many builders countersunk their Flap Brace rather than dimpled it. I dimpled mine per this statement on p 7-9 of the plans:

Drill, deburr, dimple where required, and rivet the W-721 flap brace (DWG 14A) to the rear spar.

The forward side is riveted to the rear spar with standard rivets, and the only other holes in the brace are the aft ones that attach to the bottom skin, sandwiched between it and the hinge for the flap. If these holes aren't the ones that should be "dimpled where required," then what holes is this instruction discussing?

Did I miss a secret message somewhere to disregard the plans for this step and countersink instead, or did I misread the instruction?

Also, I can't find any instructions on how to mount the flaps as far as alignment. DWG 9A shows a 1/4" gap between the aileron and flap, but that's all I can find. I presume they should be even with the trailing edge of the aileron, but I can't find that written anywhere. The section titled "Attaching Flaps to the Wing" only discuss two options of securing the hinge pin. I've spent all evening scouring the plans and drawings for clues, but I can't find anything else. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
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