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Old 06-30-2017, 12:03 PM
Rteem Rteem is offline
 
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While what @MED says is true in terms of saving time and getting you in the air faster, I don't think the fuselage would take a year of work to finish, and this is backed by other builders that post their hours.

The issues I had were not immediately obvious, probably because I didn't have enough experience to notice them when going through and checking.

Perhaps the reason I wouldn't do quick build again is because after doing all the metalwork for this plane I feel like my ouput quality on the next plane would be higher than what I personally received in September of 2016.

Would I recommend you do it on your first plane? Depends on your personal build quality and how quickly you want to get in the air.

I'm happy to further elaborate on specifics if any aren't clear- this list is for the QB Fuselage only:

1. Firewall not properly sealed. Resealed properly.
2. Top skin of front fuselage not properly sealed. Resealed properly.
3. Hinge on front of fuselage not cut to proper length (29-08).
4. F-01470-L was nested improperly with side skins (29-13). This required removing rivets.
5. Wing mounting holes not drilled or reamed to size per instructions.
6. Side skin not properly feathered or 'broken' (29-09). Didn't notice this until too late, make sure to check this if you're not already there, it causes a slight bulge on the side skins during rear fuselage attach if you don't.
7. Basically no holes properly reamed on the F-01404 BULKHEAD (25-06), there's no way to properly ream once assembled, so hand-filing many holes was the only option. NONE of the bolts for the gear braces would fit.
8. Small cosmetic issues like overdriven rivets, small cracks, improperly located dimples that they removed by using a squeezer with a flat set, very poor job on sealant beads.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:10 PM
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1. Firewall not properly sealed. Resealed properly.
2. Top skin of front fuselage not properly sealed. Resealed properly.
3. Hinge on front of fuselage not cut to proper length (29-08).
4. F-01470-L was nested improperly with side skins (29-13). This required removing rivets.
5. Wing mounting holes not drilled or reamed to size per instructions.
6. Side skin not properly feathered or 'broken' (29-09). Didn't notice this until too late, make sure to check this if you're not already there, it causes a slight bulge on the side skins during rear fuselage attach if you don't.
7. Basically no holes properly reamed on the F-01404 BULKHEAD (25-06), there's no way to properly ream once assembled, so hand-filing many holes was the only option. NONE of the bolts for the gear braces would fit.
8. Small cosmetic issues like overdriven rivets, small cracks, improperly located dimples that they removed by using a squeezer with a flat set, very poor job on sealant beads.
This is sure disappointing to hear. It would be interesting to hear details regarding Vans internal QA/QC policy. If work such as this makes it to the consumer, how bad does workmanship have to be before it gets rejected? Does anything get rejected??

However, if we all put a dollar amount on the labor, into the care, that we put into our kits - imagine the price! And with all that care the majority of us will still end up with the odd smiley rivet, misplaced dimple, oops rivet, in the finished product.

That said, having to redo shoddy workmanship on something you payed money to be completed professionally, regardless of the price, is unacceptable.
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Old 07-01-2017, 09:59 AM
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I got my QB fuselage in late April, along with QB wings. The fuselage is very well made; however, it is very important to go thru the entire set of build instructions section by section to find out the little things that weren't done that need tending to. Nuts not torqued is a big one, and they aren't all that easy to get to, sometimes. I'm building the tail dragger but I don't see there being any big issue with work needing to be undone or redone whether tri-gear or TD. Overall, I'm hugely happy with the QB; just a bit surprised at things not done here and there. Same on the wings; although there were a LOT of shop heads in my wings, so a lot of rivets had been re-done, apparently. Again, go thru all the sections in the manual and make sure every step has been completed or that you complete it.

The one thing I'd change if I could is, I'd have them leave the forward top skin off; it is so blooming hard to work up under there against the firewall, locating holes for the brakelines (TD) and even mounting the rudder and brake pedals. Access is difficult. Most of mine I've done by tipping it up on its left side so I can get my right arm in there; but it is difficult.

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Old 07-03-2017, 06:53 AM
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I received my QB Fuse in October '16, took me around 100 hours to finish it.

I did not find all of the squawks listed by Rteem and found everything apparently prepared per the plans.

Did a re-check of mine per the plans against Rteem's list to see if I had any of the same problems >>

The cowling hinges at the side edges of the fuselage firewall were proper length.

Could not find now and did not have any issues during fuselage completion with the F-01470 (-L or -R) side skins nesting to other skins or ribs.

Did not find that any reamed holes were not reamed properly. The gear braces went in ok. The bolts that needed the most encouragement to place were the 2 each side that go through the U-01403 Gear Attachment Bars in the Finish Kit (page 40A-04), 3 of them some encouragement and one a lot of encouragement.

The fuselage back skin edges were broken (29-09); no issues cosmetically with the joining to tailcone.

Wing mounting holes seem to be reamed to size; I will recheck with mic to confirm.

The items I have not been able to verify per Rteem's list are 1 & 2; where does it describe how to seal the firewall and top skin at firewall in order to do it 'properly'?

A visual of the sealant all around the edges is all I can see and to reseal those seams would be a significant operation.

All appears to be ok so far with my QB Fuse. I am significantly finished now with the Finish Kit > cowling, wheel pants and leg fairings yet to get into.
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Old 07-04-2017, 05:56 PM
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A visual of the sealant all around the edges is all I can see and to reseal those seams would be a significant operation.
For the first part on the firewall it was easy, I could see light through the relief notches in the firewall when looking from the inside. Sort of a pain to fill, but correctable.

The second, was the top skin of the front fuselage, they actually sandwiched the sealant between the wrong layers. It wasn't possible for me to remove that and reseal it, at this point it's just cosmetically ugly.

Also, jeffw, we're about at the same point in our builds, I'm not too far away in Charleston. I'd love to maybe come take a look or meet if you're up to it.
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