VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Main > Safety
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-17-2019, 08:49 AM
BenPoff BenPoff is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 9
Default helmets and parachutes

I've recently purchased an RV-4. My mission is to do aerobatics. Two of the safety items on my list as I prepare for this mission is a helmet and parachute. Any recommendations on what to look into or what to stay away from?
Thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-17-2019, 08:53 AM
sailvi767 sailvi767 is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 1,012
Default

The tipover canopy gives you a better chance to get out than some of the other RVís. I would argue however that if your mission is aerobatics there are better choices in aircraft out there. What I love about the RVís is their ability to do a little bit of everything!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-17-2019, 09:24 AM
RV8iator's Avatar
RV8iator RV8iator is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Saint Simons Island , GA
Posts: 1,486
Default IAC Standings

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailvi767 View Post
The tipover canopy gives you a better chance to get out than some of the other RVís. I would argue however that if your mission is aerobatics there are better choices in aircraft out there. What I love about the RVís is their ability to do a little bit of everything!
Donít tell Ron, Jerry and Bill that.
__________________
Jerry "Widget" Morris
RV 8, N8JL, 2800+ hours on my 8.

VAF #818
Saint Simons Island, GA. KSSI
PIF 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011,2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

I just wish I could afford to live the way I do
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-17-2019, 09:31 AM
gmcjetpilot's Avatar
gmcjetpilot gmcjetpilot is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,069
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailvi767 View Post
The tipover canopy gives you a better chance to get out than some of the other RV’s. I would argue however that if your mission is aerobatics there are better choices in aircraft out there. What I love about the RV’s is their ability to do a little bit of everything!
What? I have 600 hours in an RV4 and guessing 100 hours doing loops, rolls ailerons/barrel, stalls, Cuban8, hammerhead, emmelman, split-s (with care). It is a fun excellant aerobatic plane. Is it a Pitts or extra 300? Of course not, but the RV as you say can do it all. RV will do short field, fast cross country with good range and decent payload and aerobatics.

There are many folks who do sportsman aerobatic competition in RV's and place well. The two things RV's don't excell in my opinion, snap roll (with out stall strips) and are fast. It requires proper entry and energy management to stay in box. I don't care for snap rolls and not going to put stall strips on. Energy managment is easy but you must be competent (trained). Lack of ability and or judgment will get you in trouble.

For fun pos G aerobatics the RV can do it all. It is easy to fly, gives you feedback in the stick and seat of pants, lityke adverse yaw, BUT you must know what you are doing and respect the limits.

If you get so good at aerobatics in the RV, and want to grow, then you can upgrade to a special purpose Aerobatic plane.
__________________
George
Raleigh, NC Area
RV-4, RV-7, ATP, CFII, MEI, 737/757/767

2020 Dues Paid

Last edited by gmcjetpilot : 11-17-2019 at 10:16 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-17-2019, 09:53 AM
gmcjetpilot's Avatar
gmcjetpilot gmcjetpilot is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,069
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenPoff View Post
I've recently purchased an RV-4. My mission is to do aerobatics. Two of the safety items on my list as I prepare for this mission is a helmet and parachute. Any recommendations on what to look into or what to stay away from?
Thank you.
There are many threads on parachutes. The slim or wedge backpacks work best in RV's. Go to their websites, lots of info. There are 3 or 4 major bands (softie, national, strong, butler, aviator). I have a softie wedge. Google parachute dealers. Many jump centers are dealers. Forget a real sky diving rectangular chute. Emergency chute are round and can never used for intentional skydiving. They run sales at airshows.

New chutes are not cheap. You can buy used for significant savings. Of course it will need repack and certification. The idea of helmet is great. No suggestion. If you want something that works with full cup headset that limits your choice. You don't want big in size due to limited canopy clearance or heavy. Google is your friend. I don't wear a helmet but great idea.

Chute makers are primary making the outer shell of pack, straps, and the canopy is similar across brands. Some do offer surplus 28' mil canopies which cost less. They are cheaper but a little thicker and heavier than a dedicated GA sport pilot "emergancy" chute. The plus side of surplus mil canopies is they have higher open speeds (think jet) and greater weight capacity. Some sport chutes are not for big folks.

Look at it as insurance. It is something you pay big money for and hope you never use. Hint get in and out plane with chute on (to practice egress). Never leave chute in plane or laying around in hanger. Get old hard suitcase to store it, and keep in temp controlled dry environment. . Think about what is on your person when you bail, phone, PLB, Spot. If you end up hanging from tree you can call for help and a pizza. :-) (ps know how to get out of chute harness fast so you don't get dragged. There is a way to loop straps to get out quick w/o expensive ejector hardware).

http://www.paragear.com/parachutes/1...NCY-PARACHUTES

https://www.parachuteshop.com/pilot%20parachutes.htm

http://www.softieparachutes.com/
__________________
George
Raleigh, NC Area
RV-4, RV-7, ATP, CFII, MEI, 737/757/767

2020 Dues Paid

Last edited by gmcjetpilot : 11-17-2019 at 10:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-17-2019, 11:52 AM
cguarino cguarino is offline
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 373
Default Small Helmet only

There is not a lot of room in a RV-4 for a helmet. You will need to shop around for the smallest helmet available. Use moleskin on all the hardware and protrusions to protect your canopy.
__________________
Charlie "T.Bear" Guarino
Springtown, TX
RV-4 Flying again with a fresh overhaul
Exempt but paid
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-18-2019, 07:23 AM
WillyEyeBall's Avatar
WillyEyeBall WillyEyeBall is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Daleville, AL
Posts: 335
Thumbs up chute

There is not a lot of room for a chute either. I can only use a seat pack, and remove the standard seat. I use a head cover with chin strap that secures the headset. The RV-4 will do everything I want to do up through the Intermediate category including inverted spins. Have fun and looking for your report in the first contest for 2020.
Bill McLean
RV-4 slider (tip over would be better for egress)
lower AL
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-18-2019, 08:38 AM
rmarshall234 rmarshall234 is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 172
Default

Since you are in Florida, suggest you call John Hawke at Strong Enterprises and work directly with them for a parachute: 407 859-9317

If you buy used, only do so with expert guidance from a qualified parachute rigger and have it inspected prior to purchase.

Bonehead Composites makes the nicest / lightest helmet IMHO www.boneheadcomposites.com The owner - Chris Frisella - is an RV owner and a good guy.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-18-2019, 05:13 PM
mike newall's Avatar
mike newall mike newall is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Yorkshire, England
Posts: 1,836
Default

In Old Blighty, we need neither and generally donít.

200 hours in our RV7. Stunting on just about every flight. Still here !

Just saying ;-)
__________________
"I add a little excitement, a little spice to your lives, and all you do is complain!" - Q

Donated in 2019
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-18-2019, 05:21 PM
moosepileit moosepileit is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Floyds Knobs, IN
Posts: 556
Default

A five if not seven point harness is equal to a chute and helmet and backup goggles.

Five points really makes every manuever better. Extra lap belt with separate attach points may keep you in the seat and was needed for competition.

Backup goggles will help if you lose the canopy but keep the plane.

Helmet and chute- make sure they fit you, the seating and plane well.
__________________
RV-6, bought from builder.
O-320, slider, carb, mags, FP
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:34 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.