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Old 05-30-2010, 07:08 PM
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Mike, my wife would kill me if spent $75,000 on my
panel.
My wife would kill me if I spent $75,000 on my whole plane!
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:55 AM
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the garmin is nice but you're dead if you lose your electrical system in IMC
Brian -

Glad to see you're moving along on your project. Post some pics of your trim tab when you get it finished up!

Thanks for your concern about me when I'm flying in IMC! To put your mind at ease I have battery back up's along with dual P-Mags as well as a 3rd GPS unit on board that operates completely indepenant of any of the ship's power. I figure if all that fails while I happen to be flying IFR God wants me for something pretty bad so I better just go!

- Peter

PS - Daniel and Mike are right about the homework that goes in to an electrical system and panel to be used in IFR. Planning is an important and fun part of the process!
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Old 06-02-2010, 12:16 PM
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Brian -

Glad to see you're moving along on your project. Post some pics of your trim tab when you get it finished up!

Thanks for your concern about me when I'm flying in IMC! To put your mind at ease I have battery back up's along with dual P-Mags as well as a 3rd GPS unit on board that operates completely indepenant of any of the ship's power. I figure if all that fails while I happen to be flying IFR God wants me for something pretty bad so I better just go!

- Peter

PS - Daniel and Mike are right about the homework that goes in to an electrical system and panel to be used in IFR. Planning is an important and fun part of the process!
Sorry if my comment was taken as an attack of sorts, just thinking outloud-

Does lightning/static discharge not concern you?? You mention a independent GPS but getting lost wouldn't be my concern, not knowing your airspeed, attitude/bank would be my main concern if I lost electrical. Call me pessimistic, but I'm still thinking about the panel layout which is probably very pre-mature for me at this point, I can't seem to give up a vacuum system or traditional gauges completely. Perhaps my instructor scared the begeezus out of me with all the what-if's during training your panel looks great btw!
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:27 PM
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Brian -

That's what good instrument instructors do! He/She is making sure you know what can happen the day you take your first solo flight in to actual IMC!

The truth is that in building, all of us can drive ourselves crazy thinking about the endless number of "what-if's" and gearing up accordingly. Before you know it you have more internal redundancy than a King Air and 90% of your flying (maybe 95% of your flying) is Day VFR to get pancakes on Saturday morning or doing a quick little X-country.

In my view, the RV-7 is a sport airplane that can punch up through a layer of clouds or fly some light IFR from time to time. My panel and systems are overkill for that but having a sophisticated panel was part of the fun for me. Call it entertainment if you want to and it won't hurt my feelings because that's ultimately what it is.

Enjoy your instrument training! Departing IFR, flying VFR on top for an hour and coming down through the clouds to see the runway right where you expect it to be is one of flying's most rewarding experiences!

- Peter
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:48 PM
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Sorry if my comment was taken as an attack of sorts, just thinking outloud-

Does lightning/static discharge not concern you?? You mention a independent GPS but getting lost wouldn't be my concern, not knowing your airspeed, attitude/bank would be my main concern if I lost electrical. Call me pessimistic, but I'm still thinking about the panel layout which is probably very pre-mature for me at this point, I can't seem to give up a vacuum system or traditional gauges completely. Perhaps my instructor scared the begeezus out of me with all the what-if's during training your panel looks great btw!
This thought process can go both ways... A properly built electrical system should have no problem with lightning / static discharge. Airliners do it all the time... just use the same standard. As far as knowing pitch, bank, airspeed, etc... Even the hand held garmin gps' have a simulated 6 pack that is alot easier to follow and read than trying to do it all on a partial panel due to the loss of a vacuum pump!! Look at it like that... your flying in IMC, lose a vacuum pump, and then ur partial panel! Fly in IMC behind a proper glass setup, and you atleast have a backup that is capable of displaying everything as if nothing had happened.

Either way, both are a proven technology, both have pros and cons, and both are expensive!!!
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:12 PM
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This thought process can go both ways... A properly built electrical system should have no problem with lightning / static discharge. Airliners do it all the time... just use the same standard. As far as knowing pitch, bank, airspeed, etc... Even the hand held garmin gps' have a simulated 6 pack that is alot easier to follow and read than trying to do it all on a partial panel due to the loss of a vacuum pump!! Look at it like that... your flying in IMC, lose a vacuum pump, and then ur partial panel! Fly in IMC behind a proper glass setup, and you atleast have a backup that is capable of displaying everything as if nothing had happened.

Either way, both are a proven technology, both have pros and cons, and both are expensive!!!
yeah i think glass (done properly) is out of my price range, so maybe i'm mentally justifying the steam gauge setup, who knows
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:17 PM
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Glass done properly (for RV IMC) does not have to cost an arm and leg and your first born...It can easily be done for less than steam.

You can buy two full EFIS units each with their own battery backup systems for less than $3200....

My el-cheapo glass panel has these equivalent steam gauges (some not available in steam):

Attitude Indicator
Airspeed Indicator
Altimeter
Vertical Speed Indicator
Gyro-Stabilized Magnetic Compass
Turn/Coordinator/Ball
Turn Rate
Clock/Timer
G-Meter
Voltmeter
Horizontal Situation Indicator / GS Indicator with the ability to be driven by multiple NAV sources
AOA indicator
Built in Altitude Encoder
Density Altitude Calculator
TAS Calculator
Instant Wind Speed and Direction Display
Built in Dual Axis Autopilot
Full Engine Instrumentation
Full Fuel Computer
Full Engine Alarm Capabilities
Data Logging of Flight and Engine Data
Trim and Flap Position Displays
And more I have not discovered yet...

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yeah i think glass (done properly) is out of my price range, so maybe i'm mentally justifying the steam gauge setup, who knows
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Old 06-02-2010, 04:32 PM
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Default Brian's 100% correct...

...in his assessment of glass price vs steam.

Last week I had the privilege of flying a really nice -10 while giving some Transition training and the two Dynons amazed the owner. He'd never used the split HSI screen and couldn't believe all the info on the HSI screen alone.

Shooting RNAV/LPV approaches with the ability to see your winds aloft and the corresponding wind correction angle on one screen makes it sooo much easier.

gimp2x (Brian), come down to Louisville, Ga. (2J3) sometime and we'll go shoot some approaches at Augusta. I have a Dynon 100 and 120.

Best,
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:05 PM
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Glass done properly (for RV IMC) does not have to cost an arm and leg and your first born...It can easily be done for less than steam.

You can buy two full EFIS units each with their own battery backup systems for less than $3200....

I was reading the dynon specs just yesterday, the functionality you get for the cost of admission is just unbelievable to me. I can't wait to fly one some time.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:16 PM
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