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Floats on a 12
- Thread starter joedallas
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my guess yes
Other than looking incredible ugly I don't see why not
(also pulling into a dock could also be a challenge)
The gross weight would be 1430. A SLSA would not with allowed without a letter from VAN's.
My guess you might have to put it back in phase 1 and not sure if it would be 5 or up to 40 hours
Walt your thoughts?
Other than looking incredible ugly I don't see why not
(also pulling into a dock could also be a challenge)The gross weight would be 1430. A SLSA would not with allowed without a letter from VAN's.
My guess you might have to put it back in phase 1 and not sure if it would be 5 or up to 40 hours
Walt your thoughts?
Technically Vans is the designer. The builder may change the gross weight, but he should not do so unless he can show engineering data to substantiate the new weight.
It's the same as with any other EAB aircraft.
My point was that putting floats on an aircraft doesn't automatically increase the gross weight.
BTW, there's no such thing as EAB light sport. It's one or the other.
There are many E-AB registered aircraft that are also LSA.
Some TC (Type Certificated) aircraft are also LSA.
An aircraft registered as E-LSA may be modified after certification as long as the aircraft still meets the Definition of LSA.
Some TC (Type Certificated) aircraft are also LSA.
An aircraft registered as E-LSA may be modified after certification as long as the aircraft still meets the Definition of LSA.
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joedallas
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Confused
Mel
Scott McDaniels told me that my aircraft is no longer a RV12 because of all the alterations and engine change. I will registers as a RV12M to keep all liability from Van's Aircraft.
What is a aircraft that in EAB and can be flown in the Light Sport Category.
Is that not a EAB Light Sport Aircraft. ( I'm confused please help )
And as long as we are taking what happens for private pilots and light sport aircraft if the 3rd class medical is dropped
Joe Dallas
Mel
Scott McDaniels told me that my aircraft is no longer a RV12 because of all the alterations and engine change. I will registers as a RV12M to keep all liability from Van's Aircraft.
What is a aircraft that in EAB and can be flown in the Light Sport Category.
Is that not a EAB Light Sport Aircraft. ( I'm confused please help )
And as long as we are taking what happens for private pilots and light sport aircraft if the 3rd class medical is dropped
Joe Dallas
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Like I said, it's all in the terminology. It meets LSA but as far as registration, it is simply an amateur-built aircraft; just like a J-3 cub also meets LSA, but it is still a Standard category aircraft. A sport pilot may fly either of them.
The 3rd class medical will not be dropped. If current proposals prevail, certain aircraft will be exempt from the 3rd class medical. A private pilot who has let his medical lapse automatically reverts to a sport pilot.
I agree with Mel that, FAA really screwed up with this confusing terminology.
There are two issues here:
!. How an aircraft is registered.
2. Aircraft that Sport Pilots can legally fly.
An aircraft can be registered as E-AB, E-LSA, E-Exhibition, Standard Type Certificate, S-LSA, and others. No aircraft are registered as plain LSA, none.
LSA is a DEFINITION of aircraft characteristics. LSA does not refer to how an aircraft is registered. A person would not say that their airplane is registered as a high wing aircraft or as a tail-dragger. Likewise, it is improper to say that an aircraft is registered as a LSA, because there is no such thing, at least not in USA.
If a RV-12M with floats is registered as E-AB, it may be flown by a Sport Pilot as long as the aircraft meets the definition of LSA.
As far as I know, the terms " Light Sport Category" and "EAB Light Sport Aircraft" are not official FAA terms.
There are two issues here:
!. How an aircraft is registered.
2. Aircraft that Sport Pilots can legally fly.
An aircraft can be registered as E-AB, E-LSA, E-Exhibition, Standard Type Certificate, S-LSA, and others. No aircraft are registered as plain LSA, none.
LSA is a DEFINITION of aircraft characteristics. LSA does not refer to how an aircraft is registered. A person would not say that their airplane is registered as a high wing aircraft or as a tail-dragger. Likewise, it is improper to say that an aircraft is registered as a LSA, because there is no such thing, at least not in USA.
If a RV-12M with floats is registered as E-AB, it may be flown by a Sport Pilot as long as the aircraft meets the definition of LSA.
As far as I know, the terms " Light Sport Category" and "EAB Light Sport Aircraft" are not official FAA terms.
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Very good analogy and explanation.
One small correction; There IS a "Light-Sport Category". That would be SLSA.
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Same rules apply here in Australia too, Joe. Register either as S-LSA, E-LSA or AB(E), depending on method of manufacture, but not just plain LSA. It causes a lot of confusion here too. There is a slight difference with the US in that our LSA performance criteria are a little more lenient, eg. - no 120 kt limit, prop can have variable pitch and Vs0=45 kts (not VS1).
RFSchaller
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Mel,
The "3rd class medical will not be dropped". You are such a pessimist, ... Or maybe you have been dealing with Big Brother long enough to know the ways of the Evil Empire!
Rich
The "3rd class medical will not be dropped". You are such a pessimist, ... Or maybe you have been dealing with Big Brother long enough to know the ways of the Evil Empire!
Rich
What I meant by that statement is, nothing has ever been said about dropping the third class medical completely.
The proposal is to not require a 3rd class medical for certain types of aircraft. i.e. Gross weight of less than 6000 lbs, no more than 6 seats, etc.
Having said that, yes, I've been working with Big Brother long enough to see what is likely to happen and my opinion is that this is not going to happen. Things that get dragged out this long seldom get done.
Believe me, I hope I'm wrong!
RFSchaller
Well Known Member
Seems like the FAA could go the easy route and extend the Sport Pilot medical requirements to the Recreational pilot license. That would help a lot of pilots and get some of the heat off FAA.
