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Old 03-08-2017, 08:23 PM
Imagine47 Imagine47 is offline
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Red face Missed one

First post. Kit 366.
Started my emp kit about a month ago. Attended the SportAir workshop, read everything I could find esp the collected wisdom on VAF. Great instructions from Vans.
Working along, making progress, thinking this airplane thing is not so hard after all until I noticed I somehow just missed a flush rivet in the middle of the rudder skin. All buttoned up now with the leading edge rolled and riveted. Idiot!
I don't know how to post a photo-maybe not allowed yet?
Anyway, any suggestions appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:26 PM
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Default MK rivet

Welcome Greg.
MK-319-BS pulled rivet. Slightly larger hole but its a flush rivet. Painter will fill the shank hole and no one will ever know.
Build on
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:27 PM
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Use a pop river in that hole and put a dab of filler in it before paint.

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Old 03-08-2017, 08:28 PM
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Pick the appropriate sized pop rivet and move on. You can add a dab of proseal, JB weld, or other filler to the mandrel hole before you paint, and nobody will ever see it. One pop rivet is not a structural problem in that type of location.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:31 PM
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Start drilling rivets, it won't take too long..... Just kidding, install a pulled rivet and build on.

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Old 03-08-2017, 08:40 PM
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Default Welcome to VAF!

Greg-----welcome aboard the good ship VAF
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:43 PM
Imagine47 Imagine47 is offline
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Y'all are unbelievable. Could you be a little quicker on the replies next time?
Second question. Anyone has or will put a/c on their 14? Not really optional here in South Texas. The Admiral and myself not big pants people so the weight isn't a huge issue.
Maybe I should start a new thread? Not clear on the etiquette here.
Thanks again.
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:56 PM
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Probably best to start a new thread on your AC question. Lots of folks click the "new posts" button on the home page and just review titles for new threads they may be interested in. Starting a new topic buried inside another thread will not likely get noticed.

As far as how to post pictures, have a look here:

And you mentioned not being sure of the forum rules - take a look here:
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Old 03-09-2017, 06:08 AM
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There are many locations where the MK319BS rivet is suggested by Van's as a substitute for standard skin rivets. They are structurally strong and cosmetically acceptable as others have mentioned. They are made of monel - a very strong alloy that is galvanically neutral with aluminum.

I use a #33 reamer to size the holes - less issues with burrs on the side you can't reach.

Regarding A/C in the RV-14. Some have done AC in RV-10s, but I'm not aware of any in the -14. Lots of issues to consider including weight/balance, electrical load, and physical space for all the components of the AC unit. I personally think it adds too much complexity to the airframe. It makes more sense in an RV-10 IMHO.
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Old 03-09-2017, 10:10 AM
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Default Cheapest A/C is climb performance

Although it will not help in the pattern, remember the outstanding climb performance of all the Vans series allows a very short time to altitude. With standard lapse rates, ten thousand feet of altitude drops the temperature 35 degrees (F). Your 100 degree scorcher on the ramp turns into a huge volume off 65 degree air pouring out of the cockpit vents in cruise. Built in A/C! No weight, no electrical draw and no space required!

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