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Old 04-18-2017, 05:57 AM
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I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........

I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:02 AM
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I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........

I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win
And the cheapest place to shed weight??

The biggest variable is how big the people are. I can't bring 3 300lb friends with full fuel and baggage. But many times, my wife and I will bring along another couple for a day trip, and with full fuel we could easily take on another 100 in the baggage compartment. You do need to be cautious with the CG, and I built my plane to have as much of it's empty weight forward as possible, as pretty much anything you put in the plane pulls the CG aft.
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:21 AM
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I cut my professional flying career flying river runners out of the Grand Canyon in Cessna 207's where the weigh-ins were done at the initial launch and not after a week of eating like kings and collecting pretty river rocks in the bottom of their duffle bags. Sometimes those return flights felt like they were balanced atop a bowling ball.

Like a lot of folks, I listed my Rv10 max at 2800 and would not hesitate to do it again. It is imperative to fly within the envelope and I would never suggest otherwise, but a couple of times I've been on the ragged edge of weight and/or density altitude and the RV10 performance definitely degrades from spectacular to merely impressive. That wing is a jewel. It is the most capable 4 seater I've ever flown, but you still have to fly safe and smart.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:31 PM
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The 'FAA Standard People' is based on the FAA's standard of 170 lbs per person, so 680 lbs vs your calculation using 225 per person. I haven't been FAA Standard Size since I got married 30 years ago!!
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:45 AM
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Hi All-
Well it sounds like my logic is sound even if my waistline is not. The answer lies in a combination of me dropping 15 pounds, upping the gross to 2800, and not taking the biggest couple we can find for dinner dates.

That said, I thank you for the insight on the CG issues that are dynamic across a long flight. Good to know.
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Old 05-02-2017, 04:40 PM
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I just found out the FAA has increased their definition of a standard weight person from 170 pounds to 190. Anyone else heard of this? My inspector informed me about this after reviewing my weight and balance worksheet.
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That happened awhile ago...
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:18 PM
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In the airline world, a standard weight person is 5lbs heavier in the winter time do to (in FAA logic) heavier clothes and coats.
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I just found out the FAA has increased their definition of a standard weight person from 170 pounds to 190. Anyone else heard of this? My inspector informed me about this after reviewing my weight and balance worksheet.
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In the airline world, a standard weight person is 5lbs heavier in the winter time do to (in FAA logic) heavier clothes and coats.
See Section 2. Standard Average Weights, pages 17, 20, and 21 of this AC:

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/.../AC120-27E.pdf
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I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage
My Cherokee 235 has a useful load of 1420 lbs. I can carry 4 x 190 lb people, 84 gals fuel, and 156 lbs of baggage. That's a range of over 770 nm. If I only fill the mains (50 gal), I can put 4 x 230 lb people, 200 lbs of baggage, and still go about 400 nm. All of this comfortably in the CG envelope. Sure, I'm only going 134 kts in cruise and not 160. I thought long and hard about building a 10. But 95% of the time it's just the wife and I going. This is why I decided to keep the Cherokee and build the cheaper RV-7A. Plus with the 7, I can go out and do some acro if I want.
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