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Old 04-18-2017, 05:57 AM
paul330 paul330 is offline
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I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........

I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by paul330 View Post
I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........

I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win
And the cheapest place to shed weight??

The biggest variable is how big the people are. I can't bring 3 300lb friends with full fuel and baggage. But many times, my wife and I will bring along another couple for a day trip, and with full fuel we could easily take on another 100 in the baggage compartment. You do need to be cautious with the CG, and I built my plane to have as much of it's empty weight forward as possible, as pretty much anything you put in the plane pulls the CG aft.
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:21 AM
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I cut my professional flying career flying river runners out of the Grand Canyon in Cessna 207's where the weigh-ins were done at the initial launch and not after a week of eating like kings and collecting pretty river rocks in the bottom of their duffle bags. Sometimes those return flights felt like they were balanced atop a bowling ball.

Like a lot of folks, I listed my Rv10 max at 2800 and would not hesitate to do it again. It is imperative to fly within the envelope and I would never suggest otherwise, but a couple of times I've been on the ragged edge of weight and/or density altitude and the RV10 performance definitely degrades from spectacular to merely impressive. That wing is a jewel. It is the most capable 4 seater I've ever flown, but you still have to fly safe and smart.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:31 PM
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The 'FAA Standard People' is based on the FAA's standard of 170 lbs per person, so 680 lbs vs your calculation using 225 per person. I haven't been FAA Standard Size since I got married 30 years ago!!
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:45 AM
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Hi All-
Well it sounds like my logic is sound even if my waistline is not. The answer lies in a combination of me dropping 15 pounds, upping the gross to 2800, and not taking the biggest couple we can find for dinner dates.

That said, I thank you for the insight on the CG issues that are dynamic across a long flight. Good to know.
Thanks again,
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