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Old 07-29-2019, 02:41 PM
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I also struggle to see the benefits of sequential injection when the injector is 6" from the valve.

Larry
Our injectors are mounted in the primer ports pointing directly at the intake valve. Half the fuel load is always delivered when the valve is open, the other half of the fuel is already sitting there waiting. This yields all of the mentioned benefits.

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Old 07-29-2019, 02:46 PM
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With the semi-sequential injection, does the fuel flow go down since you are injecting on demand instead of constant fuel flow? An estimated of how much is saved?
Electronic fuel injection delivers balanced fuel delivery to all cylinders under all operating conditions, starting, idling, mid rpm , cruise power, and high power.
Mechanical (constant flow) injection can not provide this. The result is a better starting, smoother running engine that is both more efficient and makes more max power. The electronic injectors also atomize the fuel whereas the mechanical injectors provide a smooth stream of liquid fuel. This also aids power and efficiency.

Going to our system from mags and mechanical injection will yield a 1 GPH reduction in cruise fuel flow on a 360 engine (1.5 GPH on a 540).

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Old 07-29-2019, 03:25 PM
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Other fun things about System32:
Firmware can be field updated with an SD card.
The system logs all system data to the Controller SD card (1, 5, or 10 second increments).
Live fuel tuning via the Controller is VERY simple.
3D maps can be viewed and manipulated in Excel.
Compatible with Tecat torque sensors for live cockpit display of torque and horsepower (turn your run-in stand or your airframe into a dyno).
Proportional and tunable ADI (methanol injection) control for highly boosted engines (Reno).
System32 can be remotely tuned and controlled (UAV).
Live telemetry interface (UAV and Reno).
**** The above functions are all included in the current firmware****
(Now you can start to see the advantages of having a powerful ECU )

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Old 07-29-2019, 04:31 PM
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Electronic fuel injection delivers balanced fuel delivery to all cylinders under all operating conditions, starting, idling, mid rpm , cruise power, and high power. Mechanical (constant flow) injection can not provide this. The result is a better starting, smoother running engine that is both more efficient and makes more max power. The electronic injectors also atomize the fuel whereas the mechanical injectors provide a smooth stream of liquid fuel. This also aids power and efficiency.

Going to our system from mags and mechanical injection will yield a 1 GPH reduction in cruise fuel flow on a 360 engine (1.5 GPH on a 540).

Robert
There are areas where EFI is unquestionably superior. Better starting and idle are excellent examples, for clear physical reasons. Why not promote the things a good EFI will actually do?
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:09 PM
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There are areas where EFI is unquestionably superior. Better starting and idle are excellent examples, for clear physical reasons. Why not promote the things a good EFI will actually do?
All areas of engine operation are improved when you go to electronic fuel injection. We have nearly 600 planes and pilots flying who will back that up.

Why do you think the car you drive now runs so much better than the car you drove 40 years ago.

One thing is for sure - No one ever goes back to mechanical systems once they experience how much better their engine can run with modern control systems.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:43 PM
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Default System 32 PIREP

Earlier this year, I finished installing System 32 on Dan Robinson's new Super Berkut 540, Operated by Red 6 Aerospace. Since 2011, I've worked with about 20 EFII projects on various aircraft types, and in different levels of application (from single ECU Igntition, to dual ECU/Complete EFII).

The application on this Berkut was fun and challenging. The fun definitely is due to the well engineered and executed system components and install kit that Robert has dedicated the last two years to developing. The challenges we faced lie within the airframe itself, and the customization that was required to get everything on board and appropriately installed.

We have been flying the aircraft since May 1, 2019 and are approaching 70 hours of time in the air. The performance that we are seeing from the engine and this system is absolutely sensational. After plenty of 4-cylinder EFII applications, this is my first extended exposure to a platform flying a 6-cylinder 540 with the electronic fuel injection. I've never felt a single engine piston aircraft feel smoother, stronger, or safer than this. That kind of user experience and performance is certainly a testament to the capability and integrity of System 32. We have no doubt had our squawks, and dealt with our frustrations through the process, but hindsight has proven that all of the devils within those details were due to our application of the system, and design challenges with the airframe, and limited interior space within the engine cowls. We've got it all figured out, and the support and attention that we've received from Robert and Lyla has been exceptional. Rest assured that they stand behind their product, take pride in their work, and do whatever it takes to ensure the satisfaction of their customer base, which leads to an amazing flying experience.

Ask your questions, educate yourselves, and move forward knowing that the time, effort, and expense that you commit to the completion of your aircraft, and installation/use of System 32 is worth it. Smooth starts, total control of engine performance, increased safety and engine life, reduced fuel burn, and amazing power delivery. Get some System32.

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Old 08-01-2019, 09:15 AM
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Having just completed the System 32 update on Karl Groveís super legacy Reno race plane, I can definitely say, wow! I was fortunate to see most fo the parts long ago, but to see how it evolved to its current iteration, they definitely thought of everything. From a sheer build quality perspective, no other EFII type system comes close. Iíve put my hands on all of them.
On the legacy, everything is very accessible. You flip open the canopy and you can stand right there and access everything behind the panel. We had the old system out and the new system in, in a little over a day.
The the engine fired right up and purred. You do have a very good starting point for the fuel maps based on engine and horse power, but you will still have to use the AFR to get your settings at some squared power settings. The good news is, the new cockpit controller is so easy to use, making tweaks is quick and easy.
Iím looking forward to upgrading myself. Iím NOT looking forward to the instal in my plane, only because everything is so difficult to access in my install.... Once itís done, though....
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:14 AM
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After a trip from SoCal to OSH, I surpassed 250 hours on my System 32 installation. Being one of the first installs had a couple challenges, but in the end showed how robust Robert has built these units. The system has been rock solid. The performance and dependability from the airplane is undeniably better. The support Robert has offered, especially for a first time installer like myself, has been better than any other experimental aviation part manufacturer. The controller is a perfect finishing touch to set this product apart from the others in this space. Whether your racing in Reno or racing your RV around the patch, this is the system you want.
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Old 09-19-2019, 12:32 AM
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I posted here yesterday about my experience with EFII and Robert Paisley. The site owner, Doug Reeves, felt that I crossed the line into vendor bashing. I totally support having rules on a social media forums, and Doug was reasonable and understanding. To strike a fair balance, and this is entirely voluntary, I'm deleting all but one of one of my posts and replacing them with a timeline of my communications with EFII without any commentary. You are free to draw your own conclusions.

(Bob is my nickname. Either name is fine.)

February 21, 2018
EFII System 32 ordered through Barrett Precision Engines.

August 29, 2018
(Engine is hung and I ask for advice on how to proceed.)

Hi Syrus,
If you think the plane is going to be flying within 60 days. I would get it going with the parts you have now. If you think it will be flying closer to end of the year, I would wait for your System32 parts. Ö
Robert

May 28, 2019 Ė 1st request for shipment
Hi Syrus,
Everything is in production now. We are building parts as quickly as possible.
Shipments are currently going to planes that are ready to fly now. We have about 60 systems to build to catch up. Let me know when you get closer to critical need and we will get you into a completion group. Thank you for your patience,
Robert

July 8, 2019 Ė 2nd request
Hi Syrus,
The next batch of electronics will start to finish in about three weeks.
Your parts will be from this batch,
Ö
We have shipped the first 50 systems. 20 are already flying.
We are building the next 50 kits now - this will clear all backorders.
Ö
Thank you for your patience,
Robert

August 12, 2019 Ė 3rd request
Hi Syrus,
We have all the parts in house now.
We are shipping completion kits as quickly as we can make wire harnesses.
It's going to be a couple more weeks before we can get parts to you,
Robert

(NOTE: This is where I begin to lose it and complain that he doesnít have the right to pick and choose which orders he wants to fulfill.)

His reply:
You knew you were ordering a system that was not yet available. You were approx 40th on the list at the time of order. Full systems started shipping in April.
We are filling back orders as quickly as possible for the upgrades.

September 19, 2019
With no shipment or further word from Mr. Paisley, I begin posting on this forum.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:42 AM
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Default System32 progress

Yes, System32 is in a backorder situation.
We are continually adding additional resources to increase production and alleviate the situation.

Kits are shipping every week and we are making good progress.

Most companies in this industry are currently in backorder due to improvement in the economy. We have a double challenge due to this in addition to the popularity of System32.

Now that Osh and Reno are complete, we can focus all attentions on production.

We thank our customers for working with us through this period,
Robert
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