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Old 11-29-2017, 02:02 PM
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One potential problem that may occur with some blind rivet tools while using the wedge tool sold by Cleveland Tools is that because of the thickness of the wedge tool, the jaws of the puller tool only grab a small amount of the rivet stem causing it to slip and then prematurely break the stem before it fully sets.

If you make and use the small wedge's made from AEX wedge material as described in the construction manual (and likely the origin for the idea for the tool sold by Cleveland) id does away with the potential for this problem.
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FYI, the rivet info included in this SB was incorporated int Section 5 of the construction manual.
Right. I read Section 5 first because it was specifically noted to do so in Section 20. I just refer to it all as the SB.
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One potential problem that may occur with some blind rivet tools while using the wedge tool sold by Cleveland Tools is that because of the thickness of the wedge tool, the jaws of the puller tool only grab a small amount of the rivet stem causing it to slip and then prematurely break the stem before it fully sets.

If you make and use the small wedge's made from AEX wedge material as described in the construction manual (and likely the origin for the idea for the tool sold by Cleveland) id does away with the potential for this problem.
Are you referring to my particular problem? Because the way I read section 5 is the AEX wedge tool we make as, well, step one, is not a solution.

Not sure what the tool is that's sold by Cleveland Tools. I do have the puller noted above but that definitely will NOT work witht he cherrymax rivets as Van's instructions cautioned. So now I'm getting a little confused.
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Also, one other question: Does the degree to which the "other" pop riveters will work depend on the length of the CherryMax rivet? For example, I set the 4-2's just fine with your typical run-of-the-mill Stanley Home Depot-bought puller. But not the 8's, at least not consistently.
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Good point, however for ease of use, the Cleaveland tool wins hands down.

I reckon on our 2 12's, we have used the tool at least a thousand times during the build (only 500 rivets left !).

I accept that the AEX wedge is thinner, but it is fiddly to use.

We keep the jaws clean and lightly lubed and the mandrel hole tight and we haven't had any proud mandrel snaps yet. We do operate at 90psi all the time though, so they do get a sound pull
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Good point, however for ease of use, the Cleaveland tool wins hands down.

I reckon on our 2 12's, we have used the tool at least a thousand times during the build (only 500 rivets left !).

I accept that the AEX wedge is thinner, but it is fiddly to use.

We keep the jaws clean and lightly lubed and the mandrel hole tight and we haven't had any proud mandrel snaps yet. We do operate at 90psi all the time though, so they do get a sound pull
I was specifically referring to problems with the cherry rivets because they have slightly shorter stems.
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Fair point, well put
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Not sure what the tool is that's sold by Cleveland Tools.

http://www.cleavelandtool.com/Close-.../#.Wh9CDY6dRh4
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Are you referring to the wedge or the puller? Because that's the puller that Van's say will not work. Its instructions say nothing about using the AEX wedge that you make in the process (which would also angle the puller which Van's says you definitely don't want to do with CherryMax rivets).

So am I correct that we now are learning that if you use this tool or the wedge , which will angle either the puller or the stem, and use this tool that Van's says will not work.... it will work?

aye carumba, rucy.

Now, on the other hand, if some of you are referring to rivets other than CherryMAX rivets, stop talking. :*)
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Are you referring to the wedge or the puller? Because that's the puller that Van's say will not work. Its instructions say nothing about using the AEX wedge that you make in the process (which would also angle the puller which Van's says you definitely don't want to do with CherryMax rivets).

So am I correct that we now are learning that if you use this tool or the wedge , which will angle either the puller or the stem, and use this tool that Van's says will not work.... it will work?

aye carumba, rucy.

Now, on the other hand, if some of you are referring to rivets other than CherryMAX rivets, stop talking. :*)
I thinks you are putting a bunch of different information/tidbits/comments together to come to an incorrect conclusion.
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