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Old 05-21-2020, 08:01 PM
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Those that are using 100% synthetic, how do you deal with a 1,000 mile cross county flight. It's not like mogas is available at most airports? Not judging your ways but if there is a secret I want to know about how to deal with a long cross country and finding or getting mogas.
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You bought a plane?! I don't believe you told us that. Congratulations!
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Congratulations on your new plane! It's good to have another -12 in Southern California! Post photos when you get a chance.
Will do... it will be an adventure, learning to fly in your own plane. People say a RV-12 is easy to fly... i'm hoping it's easy to learn how to land.

So much to learn.

2012, AP, also has steam gauges, airspeed and altimeter and backup dynon D1 attitude as well as back up Garmin Aera 500, wheel pants, 168 hours on Hobbs, Aux 6 gallon fuel tank and pump behind PIC. Will need to update to Dynon Skyview Touch, soon, it's in the budget.

Picture it in Navy Blue, and a silver pin stripe. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse, as all service bulletin updates with doublers and triplers, have been performed, not just "inspected" front landing gear parts coming my way, already on order, and trim motor bushing too.
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Old 05-21-2020, 08:40 PM
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Those that are using 100% synthetic, how do you deal with a 1,000 mile cross county flight. It's not like mogas is available at most airports? Not judging your ways but if there is a secret I want to know about how to deal with a long cross country and finding or getting mogas.
I'd suggest an oil change to Shell Aeroshell, Sport Plus 4 semi synthetic before the trip, and run Decalin Run Up at a ratio of at least 1/2 oz or more per 10 gallons of fuel per fill up of 100LL. Some go 50 hours on Hobbs before oil changes, I'd tend to go closer to 35 or 40.

One option for lead free Mogas http://flyunleaded.com/mapusairports.html

Another option, though early in the season. Go to "Layers tab"," FBO" then select "Mogas' for fuel.

https://skyvector.com/
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:22 PM
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I believe you can run up to 30 percent 100LL and be OK with full Synthetic oil. When I bought my RV-12 the previous owner ran Mobil Synthetic in it and I flew it home 1700 miles and of course had to burn 100LL. When I changed the oil it was dark but overall there was less than 30 percent 100LL burned since the last oil change. Ill burn non ethanol Mogas from here on out unless I fly far away again.
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I believe you can run up to 30 percent 100LL and be OK with full Synthetic oil. When I bought my RV-12 the previous owner ran Mobil Synthetic in it and I flew it home 1700 miles and of course had to burn 100LL. When I changed the oil it was dark but overall there was less than 30 percent 100LL burned since the last oil change. Ill burn non ethanol Mogas from here on out unless I fly far away again.
Curious, heading west, how many hours on the Hobbs meter to get it 1700 miles for the trip home? Month of year and headwinds? Whereabouts did you go over the Continental Divide?
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I believe you can run up to 30 percent 100LL and be OK with full Synthetic oil. When I bought my RV-12 the previous owner ran Mobil Synthetic in it and I flew it home 1700 miles and of course had to burn 100LL. When I changed the oil it was dark but overall there was less than 30 percent 100LL burned since the last oil change. Ill burn non ethanol Mogas from here on out unless I fly far away again.
Back before Rotax switched from publishing a list of approved oils to just recommending Aeroshell Sport Plus4 (Mobil 1 Racing 4T was on the approved list at that time) they stated that any of the fully Synthetic approved oils were for use with unleaded fuel only.

If you were using a semi-synthetic, you were allowed to use leaded fuel.

If you used leaded fuel more than 30% of the time (with semi-synthetic oil) , then you were supposed to reduce oil change interval times by 50%.
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Congratulations on your new plane! It's good to have another -12 in Southern California! Post photos when you get a chance.
Kind of felt a little lucky to not buy one in red, and white. Wish it was raw in finish and 25 #'s lighter, but buying used, you get what you get.



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Looks good! Are you going to ride along on the ferry flight?
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Looks good! Are you going to ride along on the ferry flight?
Unlikely, too difficult to find and coordinate.

I'd probably need a light weight female CFI to instruct to make under gross 1320# with a little bit of carry on. Finding one of those that wants to be cooped up with a stranger for 20 + hours of flight into headwind going west is looking for a needle in a haystack.

As it is now, I have a 165 # guy that's looking for an adventure, with friends along the way he wants to visit. He's in some sort of mystical "Quiet Birdmen" secret society, or something like that. You have to be voted in, so I am assuming he's done something right with all of his flying. Frankly, to me, it sounds sort of like some E Clampus Vitus group of airmen.

Plane does have an additional 6.5 gal nominal aux fuel tank, so 26.3 gallons will make for easy 450 nautical miles between either inexpensive 100LL fuel stops, or unleaded Mogas fuel stops, if at all possible. Current owner runs 20% 100LL with ethanol free 90 mogas, and says octane rating is fine with the motor. No lead micro ball build up on spark plugs.

I bought 12 gallons of 91 at the local Costco yesterday here in CA, $ 2.799 a gallon, and going up in price. Took a sample of it and tested for ethanol. Trace amount, at most 1% to maybe 1.5%. Fuel stunk like he77, not at all like 100LL we get around here, it really bloats my Jerry cans with the vapor pressure.
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