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Old 05-20-2020, 09:27 AM
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I know of one place that will actually rent their cub solo with just a minimum "check out".

That cub has spent a lot of time in the hangar being repaired!
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Old 05-20-2020, 07:31 PM
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Just offering another reference point or two...

I just sold my GCAA Citabria to a low time pilot. He had 600TT with only 5.6 hours in an 7ECA prior to his purchase. His insurance company required 10 hours in the GCAA before he was insurable. His premium with 600TT, an instrument rating and 15.6 hours of t/w was within $300 of my premium with 15k TT and 700+ t/w and an ATP.

When I purchased the GCAA, the insurance company initially said I needed 10 hours in the plane before I was insurable. I had 150 in a Champ, 200 in an RV-3, 200 in a Midget Mustang, and probably 50 in a GCBC at the time, but they still wanted 10 hours in a GCAA. I whined a bit and they dropped the GCAA specific requirement for me, but not for the open pilot warranty. GCBC time didn't count for GCAA time. The only significant difference in the two types is the GCAA doesn't have flaps.

What's kinda crazy in all this is that when I purchased my most recent RV-3 in the fall of 2018, the insurance company allowed me to add a couple of my buddies as named insureds on the -3 and neither one of them had a single hour of RV-3 time. One has a bunch of time in an RV-4 and the other an RV-8. Having flown all these types, I can say that a GCAA is much more similar to a GCBC than either an RV-8 or RV-4 is to an RV-3.

My takeaway from my experience is that there's not necessarily a rhyme or reason to any of it and you just have to do what the underwriter says.

FWIW.
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Old 05-20-2020, 07:42 PM
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but not for the open pilot warranty.
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Do NOT ever rely on an "open pilot warranty". Read the fine print.
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Old 05-20-2020, 08:32 PM
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What part of "typically" don't you understand?
The part of the word that means most of the time. I just do not agree most of the time it takes 10 hours to sign off a tailwheel endorsement.

I knew there would be some of you who disagree with me. Don't take this as a personal attack. I'm just stating my opinion on the internet.
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:42 PM
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The part of the word that means most of the time. I just do not agree most of the time it takes 10 hours to sign off a tailwheel endorsement.

I knew there would be some of you who disagree with me. Don't take this as a personal attack. I'm just stating my opinion on the internet.
This, too, is not meant as a personal attack, but, please tell us how many students youíve signed off for solo. And how many TW endorsements youíve signed. And if you sleep at night, knowing that if the pilot subsequently had a ground loop or stalled on final, that there are 10 lawyers out there waiting to take away everything you own. For doctors, itís called Ďdefensive medicineí. For cfiís itís Ďa few more hours just to be sure.í
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Old 05-21-2020, 04:08 AM
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Appreciate the advice guys, Iíll reach out to Mickey.
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Old 05-21-2020, 04:17 AM
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I recently went thru this, I had 25 hrs of TW and took a year off (Oct 2018-Oct 2019) from flying a TW. I realized I was rusty so I contacted a few local schools.

Close to the Triad area - Pressley Aviation at Stanly County KVUJ has a Decathlon and two qualified instructors who will make sure you are good to go before they cut you loose in it. I spent most of last winter flying it.

A little farther away at Monroe KEQY is Aerowood Aviation with Jim Efird who is a older ex-Alaskan bush pilot who will teach you more than you ever thought about TW flying and you'll enjoy every minute. I cannot say enough good things about Jim as an instructor, he won't waste your time and you will learn something every time you fly with him. They do all of their training and rentals in 7ECA Champs.

Also, +1 for Mikey Mathews at Lake Norman 14A, he was the one who originally did my TW endorsement in 8 hrs, but he was too busy to help me knock the rust off last fall.
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:14 AM
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A different time. My first solo at age 19, With 4.7 hours in a Cessna 140. I donít think I was exceptional. Since then Iíve flown a lot of tail wheel airplanes from DC-3S to Pitts. This is all driven by insurance and liability issues. The requirement for a private license is still 40 hours, but how many do it in forty hours.
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Old 05-21-2020, 07:50 AM
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I teach quite of few pilots out here in California and the time it takes for the sign off varies depending on the skills of the pilot but usually around 7 hours. California is an especially good place to get an endorsement because the winds most of the time are relatively mild. We only have one runway in most places compared to multiple crossing runways east of the Rockies. I would recommend that a person contemplating building a tailwheel airplane get his endorsement prior to deciding on building the airplane.

Building an airplane is a lot of work only to find out you really should not be flying a taildragger. I had a student who contracted with a person to build his RV-7. He was a good pilot, owned a Bonanza and flew IFR regularly. He paid for all the parts and the builder got half of the airplane in sweat equity. After many hours and flight training by me and another instructor, he finally got his endorsement. I test flew the plane and checked him out in it. After about 90 hours of logged time in his RV-7, he ground looped the plane. His partner repaired the plane and he sold it. After asking him why he sold it he explained, "Dale, that airplane was going to kill me" A very expensive lesson.

I had another pilot fly down from Alaska to California to purchase a RV-6 and contracted with me to meet him at the airport where he was purchasing the plane. He already had a taildragger endorsement and had flown Citabrias so I assumed it would only take a few hours to check him out. I turned out that one day was not enough and I had to fly home and return the next day before I felt comfortable signing him off.

After his sign off, not only did he fly back to to Alaska, he toured the continental USA in some of the most stormy windy and gusty weather we have. He kept in touch with me while I worried like a mother sending her kid off to school. He not only made the trip successfully but wrote all about it in this forum.

Like I said, all pilots are not created equal.
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