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Old 07-30-2019, 05:32 PM
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Default Devil's in the details

Prior posts hit prime items. Here's some detail from my experience having done it more than a few times.

The radiotelephone permit and FCC license are utterly worthless. Never been asked, and I've never heard of anyone being asked.

Canada wants you to carry a form you can print off TC's website that says essentially your USA experimental A/W is valid in Canada if it's valid in the USA. Never been asked, but at least it's free.

Canada requires liability insurance of some minimum amount. You're probably good with what you have but carry the declarations page JIC you're unfortunate enough to need to reference it. Never have I been asked.

Pay attention here!! Make double-d**n sure your cell phone works in Canada! A hard CPB requirement is phoning for an appointment at your AOE. This is in addition to the previously filed eapis, and the times on the eapis really aren't important as long as it's the same day. I recently wanted to return a day earlier than the filed eapis, but had no internet to refile (the whole eapis thing is a PITA). The CPB office was able to use it since the manifest was the same. The eapis form has fields which do not carry the * response required. Ignore them if you wish even when the "WARNING blah, blah" pops up; press next. It's none of their business.

Get the decal. I've heard the government paid invoice (not your credit card charge) can be substituted, but don't invite trouble. Also, I believe the decal number is a required field on the eapis, so your submittal may choke if you don't have it.

CBSA agents have met me only once (the first time I crossed). All other times I received a clearance number during the check-in call. Have paper and pen ready, and you may be in queue for 10 or more minutes. (See next paragraph.) I suspect you develop a positive track record, and if there's nothing to declare, well, why bother?

Get out of the airplane and pee. The phone call can wait. The people aren't unreasonable.

CPB has never asked for more than my passport, pilot's license, and medical. Try to keep a straight face when the officer walks around your plane with a Geiger counter.

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Old 07-30-2019, 06:50 PM
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Get the decal. I've heard the government paid invoice (not your credit card charge) can be substituted, but don't invite trouble. Also, I believe the decal number is a required field on the eapis, so your submittal may choke if you don't have it.
My first trip in March was long before I received my decal. I entered my invoice number in eAPIS and that worked fine. It would be nice if the decal number was included in the invoice, but it doesn't seem to matter what you put in that box.

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CPB has never asked for more than my passport, pilot's license, and medical. Try to keep a straight face when the officer walks around your plane with a Geiger counter.
I've been asked for my aircraft registration every time by CBP. And these guys are not a fan of you getting out of the plane before they tell you.
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:09 AM
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I had a look at the CARS for clarification. It seems that landing on anything other than a designated aerodrome is only prohibited if over a built up area. I guess you are correct. Good on ya. I still think it would be a bad idea generally.
Correct. The wording is something to the effect of "without causing injury to persons or property". So backcountry roads, that you've flown along first to check for traffic and wildlife, crown land (that doesn't have a specific rule associated with it, like national parks), etc. are all fair game. Even a quiet road just outside the city limits is acceptable.

The "without p*ssing anyone off" is just a layman's way of expressing the same thing... If you hit someone, break something, damage crops, etc. etc., you'll probably p*ss someone off. If everyone comes out and says "hey, neat, an airplane!" and you visit and leave again without incident, you'll be just fine.
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:32 AM
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Just crossed the border a couple of times in the past few days - this being only our second trip to the USA in our airplane. Interestingly, going south into NY state the CBP officers showed up and asked only to see passports, nothing else. Of course I had my pilot and aircraft documents in hand ready to provide to him and he clearly saw I was prepared. Effortless entry to the USA. I asked about the Geiger counter - they often see lots of background radiation on trucks, or so they reported. Zero indication on our airplane.

NOTE: I had inadvertently provided my 2018 customs sticker on the EAPIS submission - didn't realize this until I cross-checked prior to filing on the way back home. EAPIS accepted my submission even with an out-of-date sticker number. Phew! I made darned sure I used the correct sticker number for the flight home and have it recorded in my file for future use. I hate it when I make that kind of simple mistake.

For Canadians coming home to Canada, get CANPASS - it's WELL worth it. I have used it when making a declaration for goods with value in excess of my exemption - just pay the taxes on the excess using credit card over the phone. On the way home this time we were well under the exemption limit. No Canada Customs officers met us at our home airport. This is where CANPASS is such a wonderful advantage as we were able to fly directly to our home airport which is an eligible CANPASS port of entry.
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:53 AM
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On one of my recent trip to Canada the officers arrived 3 hours late. The cowling was off and we already ate. Quite a story
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:40 PM
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The TOPS decal- this year of course I remembered to order too late, 16 days before OSH.
When ordering the decal there are 2 receipts- one acknowledging the order, & one when they have processed the order. The second receipt has the decal number on it. It took about a week for TOPS to email me the order was processed & the second receipt was available to print. I used this for the eapis form.
Decal arrived 3.5 weeks after the order was placed & was waiting for me on return from OSH.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:25 PM
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Default Do you really need CANPASS?

Canpass is good for some reasons and doesn't really help you for others.
Canpass is good for the most part for pre-screening you.
Canpass opens you up to more AOE airports, technically only Canpass holders are allowed to clear (I think) at airports AOE/CAN & AOE/15.
Also, everybody on board would have to have Canpass, not just the pilot.

Canada Customs AOE designations:

Airport of Entry (AOE)
An authorized airport of entry for clearance of all classes of scheduled and unscheduled aircraft (travellers and cargo).

Airport of Entry/15 (AOE/15)
An airport used solely for clearing persons arriving by general aviation aircraft (private or company) where the flights are unscheduled and the number of non-paying travellers on each flight does not exceed 15

Airport of Entry/CANPASS (AOE/CAN)
An airport of entry designated for CANPASS private and corporate permit holders only. CANPASS members can land at an AOE any time the airport is open for landing, regardless of the hours of business of the local CBSA office.


I have been clearing at my home airport (AOE/CAN)... forever... with no problems & I don't have Canpass.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:42 PM
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The TOPS decal- this year of course I remembered to order too late, 16 days before OSH.
When ordering the decal there are 2 receipts- one acknowledging the order, & one when they have processed the order. The second receipt has the decal number on it. It took about a week for TOPS to email me the order was processed & the second receipt was available to print. I used this for the eapis form.
Decal arrived 3.5 weeks after the order was placed & was waiting for me on return from OSH.
I ordered mine in February, got the first receipt but didn't get the second one until they processed it 6-7 weeks later. That was during the shutdown. I had already been to the US and returned well before I got the decal number, the first receipt was perfectly acceptable to CBP.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:46 PM
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Yep, done that in the past too. Just pointing out that they now also list the
Decal # on the second receipt....
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Old 08-06-2019, 09:02 AM
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I have been clearing at my home airport (AOE/CAN)... forever... with no problems & I don't have Canpass.
I applied for and received my CANPASS Air when I was based at an AOE/CANPASS, but only afterwards clued in that anyone with me would have to have it as well. You can't even bring someone with CANPASS Ground with you. So in the end I never did use it in the five years I had it. I haven't renewed it, but now my home airport is a full AOE so I don't need it anyway.

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Yep, done that in the past too. Just pointing out that they now also list the Decal # on the second receipt....
I seem to recall that as soon as the payment is approved the decal number shows on the DTOPS site. I have not done it personally, but i've been told that having your decal number is all that's required, so you may not need to have the final receipt with decal number on it if you can get your decal number off the site.
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