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non electrical systems

Larco

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Discussion at the airport today amongst some RVrs. What constitutes a non electrical system? Can one have a battery and starter but no generator/alternator and qualify as a non electrical system in an airplane? I have not been able to find an FAA definition that addresses this.
Thanks
 
An electrical system is defined as having a Battery and Engine Driven Generator. An alternator IS a generator!

If you have a battery and starter with no engine driven generator, you do not have an electrical system. ref: ?91.215(b)(3)
 
It depends on your context. Are you alluding to Mode C / ADS-B waivers for aircraft without engine-driven electrical systems? If so, here it is in a nutshell:

If an aircraft was originally certificated without an engine-driven electrical system, and has never had one installed in it's history, then it is eligible for the Mode C / ADS-B waiver. The key gotcha here is that it cannot have ever had a generator/alternator driven by the engine ever in it's history. Example: If you have a J3 cub that came from the factory with an A65-8 engine without a generator, and then subsequently in it's history had a had a C85-12 fitted to it with the generator pad on the accessory case blocked off and it never gets used for a generator or alternator it is still eligible for the waiver. However, if a previous owner installed a generator and operated the aircraft, even for a day, then the airframe is never eligible for the waiver. Even if a subsequent owner removed the generator or installed a A65-8 in its place. It cannot revert to being eligible. Only aircraft that have never had an engine-driven electrical system in their history can operate under the waiver. This means that most Rotax-powered experimentals, even with a rope pull starter, are not eligible as the Rotax has a lighting coil on the flywheel. Hence it has engine-driven electrical syatem.

Note that a wind-driven generator or alternator does not affect the eligibility as it is not engine driven.

Jim
 
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