OSH virgin here. Read the NOTAM a few times. Regarding speeds on the arrival... Are you vets slowing to 90 at 1800' or flying 135 at 2300?
Anyone that cannot fly their RV at the 90 arrival into OSH should stay home.
Uh....Just asking a simple question since I've never been and the NOTAM appears to give the option. Never said I couldn't fly an RV at 90 (especially after 25 years and 10,000 hours TT), but thanks for setting me straight. I think I'll still come and not stay at home. Geez.
Guess they have gotten a little impatient about having to address this question every year from folks who try to justify flying at the higher speed.
Rather than simply telling folks to search the archives, I'll just point folks to the Airventure web site, under the category of "Understanding ATC at Oshkosh". The full link is:
http://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/ea...nd-tips/basics-of-visual-flight-rules-arrival
And the relevent quote is:
Altitudes & Airspeeds: VFR arrival procedure Ripon to Fisk
PLEASE COMPLY WITH THESE SPEED RESTRICTIONS. We know that some of your aircraft are capable of going much faster, and some wish they could cruise at 90 knots. These speed restrictions assist us (ATC) in delivering an orderly and manageable flow of traffic to the control tower, as well as to the volunteers on the ground that assist in your parking at the airport.
1,800' msl at 90 knots/104 mph or if unable - 2,300' msl at 135 knots/155 mph.
UNLESS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED BY ATC, DO NOT EXCEED 135 knots!
IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF UTILIZING THE 1,800' PATTERN, PLEASE DO SO.
Do not utilize the 2,300' pattern just because your aircraft is capable of flying at 135 knots. It makes it much easier for ATC to develop a sequence most aircraft are at 1,800!
There is no need to make up your own rules - they are pretty well laid out.
90kts @ 1800'. End of story.
And it has to be said... The FISK approach starts AT RIPON not between RIPON and FISK. Don't slow and descend after RIPON.
You could go really early...like The Mockingbird & have the whole airport to yourself...
Practical tip, from the cooling experiment files.....
Constant speed prop? If 90 knots is giving you an oil temperature problem, try pulling the RPM way back, like 2000 or less.
2014 will be my wife's turn to fly into OSH (we alternate years), and it will also be her first time in the -8A.
We have found a small airport (Kenedy, TX) with a RIGHT hand pattern for her to practice on. We fly a lot, but often go half a year between landing on airports with a right-hand pattern, so we like to practice a bit before going "live" in the (occasionally uber-busy) Rwy 27 pattern at OSH.
(Admittedly, this I something of a throwback to our side-by-side aircraft years. A right hand pattern in the tandem-seat -8 is really no different, but still...)
We also practice holding 90 knots at various power configurations. It really is simple, but it's not something we do regularly. So, a bit of practice never hurts.
OSH is no place for freelancers. Follow the NOTAM, and it's simple. Get behind someone who doesn't know what to do, and it can get very interesting.
This will be #32 for us. See y'all there!
2014 will be my wife's turn to fly into OSH (we alternate years), and it will also be her first time in the -8A.
We have found a small airport (Kenedy, TX) with a RIGHT hand pattern for her to practice on. We fly a lot, but often go half a year between landing on airports with a right-hand pattern, so we like to practice a bit before going "live" in the (occasionally uber-busy) Rwy 27 pattern at OSH.
(Admittedly, this I something of a throwback to our side-by-side aircraft years. A right hand pattern in the tandem-seat -8 is really no different, but still...)
We also practice holding 90 knots at various power configurations. It really is simple, but it's not something we do regularly. So, a bit of practice never hurts.
OSH is no place for freelancers. Follow the NOTAM, and it's simple. Get behind someone who doesn't know what to do, and it can get very interesting.
This will be #32 for us. See y'all there!
We also practice holding 90 knots at various power configurations. It really is simple, but it's not something we do regularly. So, a bit of practice never hurts.
Between Ripon and the airport 1800' msl puts you approximately 800-1000' AGL. Do you really want to hang on the edge of a stall trying to follow a Cub, which cruises 70 statute-not 70 knots. Or a Pietenpol which may be considerably slower than a Cub.
How good are your spin recovery techniques?? Can you spin from 800 feet AGL and recover??
The Ripon procedure is a badly flawed procedure. There should be a separate procedure for aircraft that cannot maintain 90 knots.
The Ultralights have their own procedures.
All the RVs that have a pilot worthy of his pilot certificate can safely fly from Ripon to OSH at 70 KIAS. 90 KIAS as recommended in the NOTAM has been the SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) at AirVenture Oshkosh for more than 15-years. The only stall or spins I know about have been fast glass when they get to the runway. I am not aware of any RV pilot having control issues with the speed of 90 KIAS for arrival at OSH AirVenture. Any RV pilot that is scared to fly 90 KIAS on the recommend NOTAM approach, needs to fly with an instructor until comfortable. You should have accomplished this at your last Flight Review.
The small number of aircraft that cannot do 90 KIAS on the recommended approach does not justify making a separate procedure for them. There are so few of them, it is not worth me doing any planning other than to remember that I turn out to the LEFT and go back to Ripon and start over.
There were zero mid air collisions not related to the airshow (I found one air show mid-air in 1982)....Interesting that there are no fatal accidents (tagged to Oshkosh, WI and the fly in) that showed since 2008!
My proudest moment flying into OSH last year (for the first time) was the decision to get out of the line to Fisk that was developing into disaster and try again.
Concerning the claim of "no" mid airs... I thought someone's tire caught someone else's prop not that long ago. No crash, IIRC, but still a mid air.
And of course the two Mustangs got tangled up on short final.