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New (July 2017) Garmin ADS-B and SXM Receivers

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We are pleased to announce the GDL 52/51 series of portable receivers that are capable of receiving Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) traffic and weather, as well as SiriusXM Aviation weather and audio (with subscription) for display and control on select portables and mobile devices.

The flagship GDL 52 combines all of these functions into a single device, while the GDL 51 specifically provides SiriusXM Aviation weather and audio entertainment. Both variants also provide GPS position data and back-up attitude data to compatible portable devices.

Wireless and hardwired compatibility is provided for G3X? Touch, the aera? 660 and aera 795/796 aviation portables, as well as wireless connectivity with the Garmin Pilot app, giving customers access to a full-featured suite of weather products, ADS-B traffic and more using a single device.

Each of these receivers supports 2 wired (RS-232) display connections and 2 wireless (Bluetooth) display connections for a total of 4 display devices. Music support is provided for 1 wired and 1 wireless (Bluetooth) connection.

If you already have a GDL 39 interface mount/cable for your Aera 660/795/796, you can plug it directly into the GDL 51/52 since these units use the same connector/wiring as the GDL 39 for power and data.

The GDL 51/51R are expected to be available for a street price of $649. The GDL 52/52R are expected to be available for a street price of $1,149. The GDL 52R and GDL 51/51R will be available next week through Garmin dealers at EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, July 24-30, 2017. Garmin dealers will be taking orders for the portable GDL 52, which is anticipated to be available Q4 2017.

The new GDL series also include a free trial of the Garmin Pilot app. Both products are currently eligible for a SiriusXM Aviation rebate of $200 with an initial purchase of a SiriusXM Aviation weather subscription. Additionally, customers who purchase a GDL 52/52R will receive the first three-months of a free monthly subscription to the SiriusXM Pilot Preferred aviation weather package and the SiriusXM All Access audio programming package at no cost.

GDL 52 Portable ADS-B and SXM Weather/Music Receiver

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The GDL 51 portable SXM receiver looks similar to the GDL 52 shown above, but without the flip-up ADS-B antenna since it is SXM Weather/Music only.

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Example wiring for GDL 51/52 with Aera 660/795/796

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As mentioned above, there are also remote mount versions (GDL 51R/52R). The remote mount versions are the same size and use the same mounting holes as a GDL 39R for those wishing to upgrade.

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The GDL 52R can also be used to provide traffic/weather/music to any of the G3X Touch displays including the new GDU 470.

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Example wiring for GDL 51R/52R with Aera 660/795/796
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Example wiring for GDL 51R/52R with GDU 4XX
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Thanks,
Steve
 
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Just wanted to verify that the 51/52/51R/52R will not connect to a GTN series GPS and that a GTX 45R or 345 for ADS-B in and a GDL 69/69A for SXM are the correct kit.
 
Steve,

Can the GDL 52 built-in WAAS GPS receiver be used as a position source for an ADSB out transponder such as the Garmin GTX 335 or Garmin GTX 345?

How is the WAAS GPS receiver in the GDL 52 different then the built-in GPS/GLONASS receiver in the Aera 660?

Nice offering.

Thanks
 
Just wanted to verify that the 51/52/51R/52R will not connect to a GTN series GPS and that a GTX 45R or 345 for ADS-B in and a GDL 69/69A for SXM are the correct kit.

Hello Jeff,

That is correct that a GTN 6XX/7XX does not interface to the new GDL 5X series.

You would need one of the certified weather receivers you mention to provide weather to a GTN.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Steve,

Can the GDL 52 built-in WAAS GPS receiver be used as a position source for an ADSB out transponder such as the Garmin GTX 335 or Garmin GTX 345?

How is the WAAS GPS receiver in the GDL 52 different then the built-in GPS/GLONASS receiver in the Aera 660?

Nice offering.

Thanks

Hello Charlie,

The WAAS GPS receiver inside the GDL 52 is not a FAR 91.227 compliant position source for a GTX 335/345.

The WAAS GPS receivers in the GDL 52 and Aera 660 are somewhat similar, but like a GDL 39, the Aera 660 provides its GPS data to the GDL 52, so the GDL 52 doesn't use that built-in receiver when connected to an Aera 660.

You will notice in the above diagrams that the GPS antenna isn't shown connected to the GDL 52R, because it uses GPS data provided by the attached GDU 4XX or Aera 660/795/796 navigator.

The GDL 52 will only use its internal WAAS GPS when a tablet/phone is all that is connected.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Thanks Steve.

I have a Garmin GTX 345, GNS 430W, Aera 660 but no G3X. If I wanted to add SXM would the GDL51 work or is there some other solution?

Is the SXM going to find its way into the 345 at some point?
 
Thanks Steve.

I have a Garmin GTX 345, GNS 430W, Aera 660 but no G3X. If I wanted to add SXM would the GDL51 work or is there some other solution?

Is the SXM going to find its way into the 345 at some point?

Hello Charlie,

Yes, you could add a GDL 51 to add SXM Weather/Music to your Aera 660.

Alternately, for a few hundred dollars more, you could add a GDL 52 or GDL 52R to add both ADS-B traffic and weather and SXM weather/music to your Aera 660.

Don't forget that all GDL 51/51R/52/52R receivers are are currently eligible for a SiriusXM Aviation rebate of $200 with an initial purchase of a SiriusXM Aviation weather subscription, so that helps to reduce the up-front cost.

GDL 52R ADS-B and SXM Receiver

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I added a GDL 52R to my homebuilt. With a single RS-232 connection to the Aera 660, I get everything traffic/weather/music and leave the second Aera 660 serial port open to provide navigation data to my G5.

I had a GTX 345R connected to the Aera 660 for ADS-B traffic and weather (which worked very well), but disconnected that when I installed the GDL 52R since the GDL 52R provides all of the ADS-B traffic and weather plus adds SXM Weather and Music. The Aera 660 provides music channel selection for the music wired into the GMA 245 audio panel.

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I wired the music from the GDL 52R into one of the GMA 245 2 wired stereo music inputs which leaves the GMA 245 Bluetooth interface open to make phone calls or stream music from the phone.

Sorry for the long answer, but the new GDL series are so capable that it is hard to stop talking about them. I have been flying with the GDL 52R for over 6 months, and couldn't be happier.

No plans to incorporate a SXM receiver into the GTX 345.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Steve,

For me, a big benefit of having the Garmin GTX 345 Transponder is I get to use only one exterior antenna to transmit ADSB out as well as receive ADSB in. I also very much like the button-ology as its identical to the GTX 327 I replaced.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I used the GDL 52R for SXM as well as ADSB in, I would have to mount another antenna (at least 1 meter distance from my transponder antenna) to reliably receive the ADSB in signal for the GDL 52R?

Preferred Option:

If I used the GTX 345 for ADSB in for traffic/ADSB WX to my Aera 660 and used a GDL 51R for SXM WX to 660 and music, I would only require the SXM antenna? Is that correct?

How would I toggle from ADSB WX (345) and SXM WX (GDL 51R) on the Aera 660 using the above setup?

How would that wiring configuration look?

Thanks,

Hello Charlie,

Yes, for a GDL 51R connected to your Aera 660, you would only require the SXM antenna since the GDL 51R would receive GPS data from the Aera 660.

From the weather page, select Menu and you may choose the weather data source for an installation with multiple weather sources. It is normally set to Auto (and prefers SXM weather when available), but you can change to FIS-B at any time.

The GDL 51R would be wired to an Aera 660 RS-232 port (by itself) and wired like shown above in the original posting. Please email us if you have additional installation questions.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Can the GDL 51/52 (R and non-R) utilize a GA 37 combo antenna for its Sirius/XM signal? More specifically if a GNS 530W were utilizing the GPS WAAS connector on the GA 37 for its GPS signal could the GDL 51/52 (R and non-R) utilize the XM connector on the same GA 37?

I ask this because I don't see the GA 37 listed as an approved antenna in the GDL 51/52 installation manual.

My configuration would be as follows: The GNS 530W GPS antenna connector connected to the WAAS TNC on the GA 37 combo antenna. Then an aera 660 connected to the GDL 52R via USB data cable, the GDL-52R's ADS-B in antenna lead connected to a bottom-mount transponder antenna and then the GDL-52's Sirius/XM antenna lead connected to the GA 37's satellite TNC connector.

Jim
 
With respect to the prior post, my preferred installation would be only one exterior antenna with the aera 660 using a GA 37C antenna mounted to the glareshield, leaving only the GNS 430W and GDL-52 in need of exterior antennas. In all cases the aera 660 would provide GPS position to the GDL-52 via usb cable.

(1) preferred: Use a GA 37 combo antenna for the 430W/GDL-52 SXM as mentioned in prior post.

(2) Use a GA 57X antenna for the GDL-52 SXM and the aera 660 GPS and then use a standard GA 35 for the 430W. Two external antennas and no glareshield GA 37C.

(3) Use a GA 35 for the GNS 430W a GA 24 MCS for the GDL-52 SXM and a GA 37C for the aera 660.

Thanks,

Jim
 
With respect to the prior post, my preferred installation would be only one exterior antenna with the aera 660 using a GA 37C antenna mounted to the glareshield, leaving only the GNS 430W and GDL-52 in need of exterior antennas. In all cases the aera 660 would provide GPS position to the GDL-52 via usb cable.

(1) preferred: Use a GA 37 combo antenna for the 430W/GDL-52 SXM as mentioned in prior post.

(2) Use a GA 57X antenna for the GDL-52 SXM and the aera 660 GPS and then use a standard GA 35 for the 430W. Two external antennas and no glareshield GA 37C.

(3) Use a GA 35 for the GNS 430W a GA 24 MCS for the GDL-52 SXM and a GA 37C for the aera 660.

Thanks,

Jim

Hello Jim,

We didn't list the GA 37 as a SXM antenna in the GDL 52R installation manual because the performance specs of the GA 37 are not as good of a match for the GDL 52R SXM receiver as the GA 24 TNC, GA 26 XM, and GA 57X.

The impedance and current draw of the GA 37 are compatible with the GDL 52R and will do no harm if you want to give it a try and see if you obtain acceptable SXM performance.

You mention above that "In all cases the aera 660 would provide GPS position to the GDL-52 via usb cable.", and we want to clarify that the Aera 660 provides GPS data to the GDL 52R over RS-232 or Bluetooth, but not USB.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Wow. I really blew it on previous post. I meant a GA27c (MCX) for the glareshield, not GA 37C. Sheesh. Was way too early in the morning. Let me show that again with correction here:

With respect to the prior post, my preferred installation would be only one exterior antenna with the aera 660 using a GA 27C antenna mounted to the glareshield, leaving only the GNS 430W and GDL-52 in need of exterior antennas. In all cases the aera 660 would provide GPS position to the GDL-52 via usb cable.

(1) preferred: Use a GA 37 combo antenna for the 430W/GDL-52 SXM as mentioned in prior post.

(2) Use a GA 57X antenna for the GDL-52 SXM and the aera 660 GPS and then use a standard GA 35 for the 430W. Two external antennas and no glareshield GA 27C.

(3) Use a GA 35 for the GNS 430W a GA 24 MCX for the GDL-52 SXM and a GA 27C for the aera 660.

Thanks,

Jim
 
Great news. The Garmin GDL 52 portable (non-R) units are finally shipping. I have two enroute ordered from vendors at Oshkosh '17.

Remeber if you get one now and activate SXM before 12/31/2017 you will qualify for the $200 SXM rebate contingent on a minimum of 90-days of uninterrupted service.

Jim
 
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I don't think the GDL 52R is referenced in the G3X guide yet.

The G3X manual states: " Only one display in a multiply-display installation may be configured to show FIS-B weather information", and recommends that the RS-232 be connected to the MFD.

The GDL 52R has 2 RS 232 outputs, and the schematic referenced above shows connection to a second GDU 4X. What data is available to the second display? Is it XM weather data, or ... ?

Thanks
 
I don't think the GDL 52R is referenced in the G3X guide yet.

The G3X manual states: " Only one display in a multiply-display installation may be configured to show FIS-B weather information", and recommends that the RS-232 be connected to the MFD.

The GDL 52R has 2 RS 232 outputs, and the schematic referenced above shows connection to a second GDU 4X. What data is available to the second display? Is it XM weather data, or ... ?

Thanks

Hello Thomas,

Both GDU 4XX displays connected to a GDL 52/52R using the 2 RS-232 interfaces will receive ADS-B traffic/weather and SXM weather.

If you happen to have 3 or 4 displays in your G3X Touch system, you can connect up to 2 additional displays to the GDL 52 using Bluetooth and have the same traffic/weather as the hardwired connections.

Thanks,
Steve
 
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My GDL-52 came with a free Sirius XM trial subscription card in the box for new units.

Meanwhile Sirius XM has their promotional $200 rebate program for new receivers activated on or before 12/31/2017 if the new subscription remains active for a minimum of 90-days after the activation date.

So my question is are these two programs compatible? Can the trial subscription count towards the $200 rebate? If not, can I first activate a standard minimum subscription on the new unit and then 90 days later after meeting the rebate requirements can I cancel and switch to the free trial subscription?

I am confused.

Jim
 
I am in the process of installing two GDL-52's and purchased the optional GA24 MCX sirius external antenna for each.

However, unlike some of the other antennas like the GA25/26/27c this Sirius antenna doesn't come with a mounting flange with suction cups. In addition, unlike the other antennas mentioned the GA 24 doesn't have screw holes in the bottom for surface mounting. It just has 4 little rubber nibs on the bottom.

Table 3-6 of the GDL-52 installation manual states that the GA 24 MCX is mounted with "Flange, Magnetic or Suction Cup Mounts". I don't think any of those three could apply to the ones I received.

It does come with an alcohol swab moist towlet all by itself. So you get the base antenna and an alcohol wipe. I don't know if the alcohol wipe is intended to imply Velcro adhesive application or the like.

I was hoping to use screw mounts instead of Velcro or other "sticky" stuff. So I am thinking that if I can pull out the little rubber nibs the corner holes they might in fact be threaded. Anybody know if this would be a good idea?

I can also feel under the back label a hollow area which I would imagine would have a magnet in it for other non-aviation model numbers.

Has anybody mounted this antenna with screws yet or just sticky stuff?

Jim
 
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Jim or anyone using the new GDL 51/52

How did you decide to mount the SXM antenna?

Can you please share your experience with your GDL 52’s and compatible displays. Especially interfaced with the Aera 660.

I’m considering XM WX and music via the GDL 51/52 in my RV8 with 660, GTX 345 and GNS 430, and appreciate your insight.
 
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A couple of questions about a new GDL-5X hard wired to an aera 796 and using Garmin Pilot on an iPad. I assume the iPad version of Pilot can connect via Bluetooth with either the GDL 5X or the 796. Which unit would be a preferred pairing? Also, does Pilot send flight plans to the 796 ( like Connext) through either one of the unit's Bluetooth links?

Thanks,

Jim
 
I am in the process of installing two GDL-52's and purchased the optional GA24 MCX sirius external antenna for each.

However, unlike some of the other antennas like the GA25/26/27c this Sirius antenna doesn't come with a mounting flange with suction cups. In addition, unlike the other antennas mentioned the GA 24 doesn't have screw holes in the bottom for surface mounting. It just has 4 little rubber nibs on the bottom.

Table 3-6 of the GDL-52 installation manual states that the GA 24 MCX is mounted with "Flange, Magnetic or Suction Cup Mounts". I don't think any of those three could apply to the ones I received.

It does come with an alcohol swab moist towlet all by itself. So you get the base antenna and an alcohol wipe. I don't know if the alcohol wipe is intended to imply Velcro adhesive application or the like.

I was hoping to use screw mounts instead of Velcro or other "sticky" stuff. So I am thinking that if I can pull out the little rubber nibs the corner holes they might in fact be threaded. Anybody know if this would be a good idea?

I can also feel under the back label a hollow area which I would imagine would have a magnet in it for other non-aviation model numbers.

Has anybody mounted this antenna with screws yet or just sticky stuff?

Jim

Reviving this old thread. Jim, did you ever figure out the proper way of mounting this antenna? Are those holes that contain rubber nibs threaded?
 
I think I peeled back the label and extracted the magnet from underneath. Then I stuck the antennas down with velcro.

Jim
 
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