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Old 08-22-2019, 06:10 AM
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For me, my primary care doctor was willing to sign the BasicMed forms at the end of a standard physical exam, which is covered by my medical insurance as preventive care. Thus, BasicMed lasts longer than a 3rd class medical, and I have no out of pocket cost.
Same here!
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I went to some AOPA thing and one of the topics that was discussed was Basic Med vs. a standard medical.

I'd swear they said you had to make an appointment for the basic med sign off and it could not be combined with a standard visit/physical, but I don't really why
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:48 AM
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Easiest and cheapest route is probably class 1. Sounds crazy. Trust me.
Until the AME says you need an EKG stress test, or a stress echocardiogram...but your health insurance doesn't agree. Then "cheapest" has gone right out the window.

Think it can't happen? LOL...wrong.

I trained in Residency at a clinic with an AME on staff. I was a CFI/I at the time and gave flight reviews and instrument checks to a number of guys who got their medical tickets renewed there. And I helped them to understand why they sometimes had to pay for $1000+ studies that were't deemed necessary by their health insurance--and in some classes I spent long periods of time on the phone with specialists (usually Cardiologists) trying to determine what other tests might be covered, and whether or not it would still appease the FAA guys in OKC. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

None of these were even Class 1 medicals, by the way. The vast majority of guys who had these kinds of problems were Class 2 or 3 medicals. This was long before BasicMed, as it was in the late 1990s.

Long story short, I now get the BasicMed. I am a (retired) physician myself, and will be getting my CFI/I re-instated as soon as I can get a spot on the DPE's schedule. I probably have no intention of flying anything faster than 250 kts, that has more than 6 seats, or flies higher than FL180. Maybe things will be different in a year, and I'll have to go back and get a Class 2 medical again. But until then I'm not going to do anything more than I need to do regarding the FAA medical. Fail it once, or (more likely) get yourself into a situation where the AME says you need expensive studies that your health insurance company says you don't, and you'll be in for loads of fun...

Disclaimer:None of this post should be interpreted as offering medical advice. These comments are simply based upon my experience as a physician who also provided flight instruction at the time.

And as always...your mileage may vary.

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Old 08-22-2019, 12:27 PM
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Leave it to the FAA to create (and then NOT resolve) such an apparent caveat.

Sigh...

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Old 08-22-2019, 12:53 PM
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I went to some AOPA thing and one of the topics that was discussed was Basic Med vs. a standard medical.

I'd swear they said you had to make an appointment for the basic med sign off and it could not be combined with a standard visit/physical, but I don't really why
Like others who posted above, my physician does my BasicMed exam as part of my regular exam. He only requires that I bring the vision report from my Optometrist.

I don’t know why the AOPA would say you had to schedule the BasicMed exam separate from your regular exam. I have been a client of the AOPA Pilot Services Program (Legal and Medical) for over ten years and have never been told that by AOPA.

Surely you misunderstood the speaker. Or perhaps the speaker was mistaken.

On the other hand, I can see that some physicians might choose to make the BasicMed exam a separate office visit and charge accordingly.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:34 PM
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Leave it to the FAA to create (and then NOT resolve) such an apparent caveat.

Sigh...

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The problem is, the FAA opposed basic med tooth and nail. Congress created it, but screwed up the language (no surprise), using the term ‘PIC’ when they should have used ‘pilot or required crew member’. The FAA, rather than fix it, dug in their heels and insists on enforcing it as written. Namely, you cannot act as a required crew member (e.g., safety pilot) unless you are also the PIC, under basic med. This of course completely fails common sense.
BTW, for the last couple of decades you only need a class 3, not 2, medical to exercise your cfi privileges (or basic med, but you must be PIC.)
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:29 PM
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AMEs have different opinions about Basic Med. My AME of some 8 years, who also has the designation Senior AME, would not participate in the Basic Med process on the advice of a doctor in the AME world who advised against it. I subsequently got the Basic Med checklist completed by my primary care doctor.
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AMEs have different opinions about Basic Med. My AME of some 8 years, who also has the designation Senior AME, would not participate in the Basic Med process on the advice of a doctor in the AME world who advised against it. I subsequently got the Basic Med checklist completed by my primary care doctor.
My AME, who is also a Senior AME, does BasicMed.
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Old 08-23-2019, 01:37 PM
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The problem is, the FAA opposed basic med tooth and nail. Congress created it, but screwed up the language (no surprise), using the term ‘PIC’ when they should have used ‘pilot or required crew member’. The FAA, rather than fix it, dug in their heels and insists on enforcing it as written. Namely, you cannot act as a required crew member (e.g., safety pilot) unless you are also the PIC, under basic med. This of course completely fails common sense.

BTW, for the last couple of decades you only need a class 3, not 2, medical to exercise your cfi privileges (or basic med, but you must be PIC.)
Yeah, I'm aware of the medical requirements to do CFII stuff, as I've been an instructor since 1987. I just haven't renewed it for a few years as I've been doing simulation-based training stuff more than in-air training. What I meant with the reference to a Class 2 medical, was that if I decided to go fly commercially again (like crew an aircraft), I'd have to go back to an AME.

As to Congress screwing things up, what else is new. Don't ever confuse bureaucrats with common sense. I wasn't aware that the FAA had opposed it so strongly though, to be honest. It doesn't really surprise me, but I didn't know they were that opposed to it.

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My AME, who is also a Senior AME, does BasicMed.
How does s/he feel about the difference between the BasicMed and a Class 3 medical? I don't know any AMEs who also provide BasicMed, but my personal physician used to be an AME and he signed my BasicMed form this summer. I remember him telling me that the (several page) BasicMed form was more thorough than the Class 3 stuff he used to do.

I did a number of DOT driver medical certifications back when I was practicing medicine, and other than the required labs (I think they required a urinalysis as I recall), the medical portion seems pretty similar.

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