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Possible AD for certain NAVWORX ADS-B Units

Well .. I started the replacement process today. Sent my 330 in for the ES upgrade, ordered the Garmin GPS-20A for a WAAS position source and ordered a Pathfinder Remote for ADS-B in.

I've mapped out all the wires from the NavWorx that I can reuse. Should be about a weekend project. Sadly I'm going to lose ARINC into the 430's for traffic other than TIS-A which will still come from the 330ES. I should have everything in place and ready when the 330ES get's back in 10 days or so.

It would certainly be a nice gesture if NavWorx customers got a waiver on the ADS-B prior-use for the $500 it would help take some of the sting out of the process.

I'll let you know how it works.

Regards,

David
RV6-A N142DS
n142ds.com
 
NAVWORX Update, Words From Bill Today

I had asked Bill several times to post an update on the Forum, but for reasons only he knows he has not done so, but he did respond to my request for an update several hours ago today and agreed that I could post it here on the forum;
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Bill Moffitt
2:51 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
Cecil,

We're waiting on the FAA to finalize the AD. Once this happens we will move forward with sales and support of our products.

Best Regards,

Bill Moffitt
NavWorx Incorporated
 
hpmicrowave said:
I had asked Bill several times to post an update on the Forum, but for reasons only he knows he has not done so, but he did respond to my request for an update several hours ago today and agreed that I could post it here on the forum;
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Bill Moffitt
2:51 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
Cecil,

We're waiting on the FAA to finalize the AD. Once this happens we will move forward with sales and support of our products.

Best Regards,

Bill Moffitt
NavWorx Incorporated
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I've been searching for information on Navworx and Bill Moffitt.

Found this 16 minute Youtube interview regarding ADS-B at the 2015 AEA Convention. It provides some insight into the man, his background and his view of the industry relative to the FAA. It does not explain why he left his customers in a lurch.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...d08bfa2e336ebd81e29e7f8183640844&action=click
 
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Compitition

I have a NavWorx ADS600 EXP paired with Trig TT-22. It works great. But I have been researching replacement strategies in case the AD outcome is bad.

So far I either need to spend in excess of $5k for a box to replace the EXP features, or about $3k to install a kludge panel cluster to get the same capabilities. And interfacing info is scarce, so not sure I will be able to install it as I did the EXP. Seems to me the EXP box is a pretty clever, clean, and versatile solution to ADS-B that interfaces with a wide range of existing equipment. I find no direct competition, certainly not near the price. I hope they find a way to continue.
 
keijidosha said:
I have a NavWorx ADS600 EXP paired with Trig TT-22. It works great. But I have been researching replacement strategies in case the AD outcome is bad.

So far I either need to spend in excess of $5k for a box to replace the EXP features, or about $3k to install a kludge panel cluster to get the same capabilities. And interfacing info is scarce, so not sure I will be able to install it as I did the EXP. Seems to me the EXP box is a pretty clever, clean, and versatile solution to ADS-B that interfaces with a wide range of existing equipment. I find no direct competition, certainly not near the price. I hope they find a way to continue.
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That's crazy. Buy the new $500 GPS from GRT; an airspeed switch from Trig ($100, I think) and you're all set for ADSB-out. Keep the NavWorx with the transmitter turned off for ADSB-in, or buy one of the $500-$800 ADSB-in solutions.
 
I'm with Bob on this one. You already have a 1090ES transponder to do the ADSB-out. All you need for OUT compliance is a position source. The recently-announced GRT unit sounds like a good choice. For the IN solution there are so many alternatives that it almost boggles the mind, and most of them are in the less-than-$1000 price bracket. At the cheap end you could be IN and OUT compliant for under $1000.

As for the airspeed switch, that, according to correspondence I've received from Trig, is NOT required unless one is using an older Air Data Computer. GPS groundspeed data is sufficient for air/ground detection, according to Trig. Is there hard data to suggest otherwise? (Note the STC data for the Trig TT31 mandates a second air/ground determination method, but that's a limitation of that particular STC and is not germane to the TT22.)
 
Canadian_JOY said:
As for the airspeed switch, that, according to correspondence I've received from Trig, is NOT required unless one is using an older Air Data Computer. GPS groundspeed data is sufficient for air/ground detection, according to Trig. Is there hard data to suggest otherwise? (Note the STC data for the Trig TT31 mandates a second air/ground determination method, but that's a limitation of that particular STC and is not germane to the TT22.)
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Peregrine holds the STc for the TT22 and TT31. The STC for both requires the airspeed switch.
 
Just saw this on the Navworx web site:

To All Our Valued Customers,

I want to thank everyone for their continued patience pertaining to this ongoing situation. Over the course of the past several months NavWorx has weathered extreme difficulties in tirelessly defending and resolving the ongoing actions against us. As a direct result of your comments on the proposed AD action, enlisted help from industry professionals to include the (AEA) Aircraft Electronics Association, Dallas Avionics, Inc., and our Dealers, I am extremely pleased to announce that we are moving forward with our plans to resolve the current issue for our products.

Very soon we will release our program details that will outline the entire resolution ranging from simple software updates to system exchanges. In addition, we will be re-opening all our lines of communication to ensure the seamless customer service throughout this process minimizing any frustrations you may encounter.

I, along with the entire staff of NavWorx, are committed to providing the industry with the most ?Affordable? ADS-B systems for many years to come.

In addition, NavWorx, along with our distributor (Dallas Avionics, Inc.) look forward to seeing all of you in 2017.

Again, I sincerely thank all of you for your continued patience.

Bill Moffitt
President,
NavWorx Incorporated

Bob Cowan, RV7A
 
N743RV said:
Just saw this on the Navworx web site:

To All Our Valued Customers,

I want to thank everyone for their continued patience pertaining to this ongoing situation. Over the course of the past several months NavWorx has weathered extreme difficulties in tirelessly defending and resolving the ongoing actions against us. As a direct result of your comments on the proposed AD action, enlisted help from industry professionals to include the (AEA) Aircraft Electronics Association, Dallas Avionics, Inc., and our Dealers, I am extremely pleased to announce that we are moving forward with our plans to resolve the current issue for our products.

Very soon we will release our program details that will outline the entire resolution ranging from simple software updates to system exchanges. In addition, we will be re-opening all our lines of communication to ensure the seamless customer service throughout this process minimizing any frustrations you may encounter.

I, along with the entire staff of NavWorx, are committed to providing the industry with the most ?Affordable? ADS-B systems for many years to come.

In addition, NavWorx, along with our distributor (Dallas Avionics, Inc.) look forward to seeing all of you in 2017.

Again, I sincerely thank all of you for your continued patience.

Bill Moffitt
President,
NavWorx Incorporated

Bob Cowan, RV7A
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Excellent!!!

There is a light in the tunnel and it's not the train coming.

Thanks for the update, Bill Moffett.
 
That's great news! Now, let's hope it doesn't take too long to get back to "business as normal".
 
For money invested, time spent... (install)... and continued product support from Navworx, this is truly a breath of very fresh air!
 
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Resubmit communications?

When Bill reestablishes communications normally - will we need to resubmit everything we were working on? I was working on a technical issue with him when the lights went out....

Hopefully Bill will answer up on this one!
 
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still doubtful

I sincerely hope the best for Bill and Navworx. But I personally am going to continue my install of the Appareo xponder. I wish only the best of luck to all the Navworx customers, but as soon as my 600B-0012 is repaired/made legal I will be selling it. Never been out of the box.
 
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Update

By special request.....

My unit has shipped to NavWorx with an RMA number provided by Bill.
I have not been notified of its arrival there - according to UPS with the tracking number, it is supposed to be delivered today.

I requested an arrival notification from NavWorx - I will let you know if they respond regarding the arrival of my unit.
 
recapen said:
By special request.....

My unit has shipped to NavWorx with an RMA number provided by Bill.
I have not been notified of its arrival there - according to UPS with the tracking number, it is supposed to be delivered today.

I requested an arrival notification from NavWorx - I will let you know if they respond regarding the arrival of my unit.
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Good Luck!

Mine was sent back the week the AD before the AD came out. I had to call multiple times until I could talk to a real person and get an answer. Fortunately, I got the unit back before everything escalated. Unfortunately, they didn't resolve the issue.
 
Bob,

What was your issue? We have another sticky thread that we're using to help each other out.

I was able to verify my issue by installing my box in a known good environment.

Maybe someone in that thread can help!

I'm hoping mine didn't go in to a black hole and actually comes back as fixed....I got a UPS notification that Bill signed for my unit today - fingers crossed.
 
Progress update!

I just got a note from Bill that my unit arrived there and it usually takes a week to turn around repairs.

Stuff is happening there - I hope to get my unit back shortly so I can get on with my testing - maybe even get a rebate!
 
Is NavWorx gone?

I'm hoping this is just a glitch and not a sign of things to come but can others get to NavWorx's web site? The registry info for 'navworx.com' was recently updated and doesn't expire until Oct 2017. So, that seems in order.

Google's DNS servers can't seem to find 'www.navworx.com' nor 'navworx.com'.

Code: 
> nslookup navworx.com 8.8.8.8
Server:         8.8.8.8
Address:        8.8.8.8#53

Non-authoritative answer:
*** Can't find navworx.com: No answer

> nslookup www.navworx.com 8.8.8.8
Server:         8.8.8.8
Address:        8.8.8.8#53

** server can't find www.navworx.com: NXDOMAIN

> nslookup 8.8.8.8 8.8.8.8
Server:         8.8.8.8
Address:        8.8.8.8#53

Non-authoritative answer:
8.8.8.8.in-addr.arpa    name = google-public-dns-a.google.com.

Authoritative answers can be found from:

dnelson@murdock:~>
 
I was looking at it yesterday to see if there was an update on the AD or new stuff for sale since the recent tradeshow that Bill attended....

No new stuff yesterday....

No access at all today!

Keeping my fingers crossed as my unit is in for repair!
 
I just checked their site yesterday after reading an AvWeb article & it was still up.
Let's hope they are in the middle of updating their site to go back in business.
 
The is an NavWorx IPad ap update (vs 1.5) that showed up yesterday on the ap store. That may be a third party though. I'm not going to allow an update until I know more.
Tim Andres
 
tim2542 said:
The is an NavWorx IPad ap update (vs 1.5) that showed up yesterday on the ap store. That may be a third party though. I'm not going to allow an update until I know more.
Tim Andres
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Maybe Neil can chime in as he's the mobile config app developer.
 
Hmmm...... With an update on the record yesterday, I wonder if he's changing his hosting provider? We should probably give Bill a couple days before people start yelling the sky is falling.

bob

Domain Name: NAVWORX.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 2
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS2.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS3.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Name Server: NS4.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 17-mar-2017
Creation Date: 24-oct-2007
Expiration Date: 24-oct-2017


> server NS1.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Default Server: NS1.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Addresses: 2a01:111:f406:1804::59
207.46.15.59

> navworx.com
Server: NS1.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM
Addresses: 2a01:111:f406:1804::59
207.46.15.59

*** NS1.BDM.MICROSOFTONLINE.COM can't find navworx.com: No response from server
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I'm more optimistic & hoping that he's back in business & is republishing his site to begin taking new orders under the revised rules.

FWIW, I checked the FAA site for a press release, but now existed as related to Navworx.
 
Latest NAVWORX Mssg to Customers

Web site is back up and Bill posted this message

NavWorx Customers & Dealers
To All Our Valued Customers,

I want to thank everyone for their continued patience pertaining to this ongoing situation. Over the course of the past several months NavWorx has weathered extreme difficulties in tirelessly defending and resolving the ongoing actions against us. As a direct result of your comments on the proposed AD action, enlisted help from industry professionals to include the (AEA) Aircraft Electronics Association, Dallas Avionics, Inc., and our Dealers, I am extremely pleased to announce that we are moving forward with our plans to resolve the current issue for our products.

Very soon we will release our program details that will outline the entire resolution ranging from simple software updates to system exchanges. In addition, we will be re-opening all our lines of communication to ensure the seamless customer service throughout this process minimizing any frustrations you may encounter.

I, along with the entire staff of NavWorx, are committed to providing the industry with the most ?Affordable? ADS-B systems for many years to come.

In addition, NavWorx, along with our distributor (Dallas Avionics, Inc.) look forward to seeing all of you in 2017.

Again, I sincerely thank all of you for your continued patience.

Bill Moffitt
President,
NavWorx Incorporated
 
Boyd Birchler said:
NavWorx ADS-B units with P/N 200-0112 and 200-0113 are TSO-C154c compliant and are not the subject of this proposed AD.
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Really? Can you supply us a url to that source?


Update: Correct those are not.
But, Model ADS600-B part number (P/N) 200-0012 and 200-0013 and Model ADS600-EXP P/N 200-8013 are the subject of the potential AD.
 
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NAVWORX is back and running as of this evening but nothing new news-wise.

Nothing available to purchase but install down loads are available.

I have one just in case he ships one of these days. :)
 
I sent this simple email request off yesterday:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:10 PM
To: Cobble, Kyle (FAA); Heusser, Michael A (FAA)
Subject: NavWorx AD Status

What?s the status of the potential AD for NavWorx? Docket FAA-2016-9226, Directorate Identifier 2016-SW-065-AD

When can we expect something to be published?

I received this response a few minutes ago:

Mr. Leffler,
We try to finish the AD?s within 90 days. This AD had many comments and we have had to coordinate with several offices. I can?t give an exact date, but we are working to issue the final rule as soon as possible.


Kyle Cobble
Fort Worth ACO
817-222-5172

Based upon this response, it's doubtful we'll see anything until after OSH.
 
rleffler said:
I sent this simple email request off yesterday:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:10 PM
To: Cobble, Kyle (FAA); Heusser, Michael A (FAA)
Subject: NavWorx AD Status

What’s the status of the potential AD for NavWorx? Docket FAA-2016-9226, Directorate Identifier 2016-SW-065-AD

When can we expect something to be published?

I received this response a few minutes ago:

Mr. Leffler,
We try to finish the AD’s within 90 days. This AD had many comments and we have had to coordinate with several offices. I can’t give an exact date, but we are working to issue the final rule as soon as possible.


Kyle Cobble
Fort Worth ACO
817-222-5172

Based upon this response, it's doubtful we'll see anything until after OSH.
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Since the SIL is so critical to public safety, :rolleyes:, I would think they would expedite & prioritize their decision.

It's already been 5 months since the announcement & 3 months since the end of their comment period.

I was hoping they'd have a resolution by SNF.
We should all become active in their ADS-B discussions at SNF.
 
roadrunner20 said:
Since the SIL is so critical to public safety, :rolleyes:, I would think they would expedite & prioritize their decision.

It's already been 5 months since the announcement & 3 months since the end of their comment period.

I was hoping they'd have a resolution by SNF.
We should all become active in their ADS-B discussions at SNF.
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I continue to be disappointed when AOPA and other representatives don't press the FAA to answer questions such as why drones are allowed/encouraged to use cheap OUT devices in the interest of safety, and experimentals that are allowed to use different categories of OUT devices, vs. certificated, i.e., the Navworx fiasco. It's just a big mess that cannot be defended. I won't be at SNF but surely hope the FAA is bombarded with common sense questions from pilots and other groups on this issue.
 
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