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Old 06-05-2018, 09:58 PM
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Unhappy Wing Spar Center Section Fit

-7, standard wing kit, QB fuselage.

I made some measurements today (after Van's tech support closed of course) that have me a bit worried.

I measured my wing spar thickness and my center section width and the numbers don't look good.

Here are the numbers:

Left wing spar top - 1.4450"
Left Center Section top - 1.4080"
difference -.0370"

Left wing spar bottom - 1.4450"
Left Center Section bottom - 1.4270"
difference -.0270"



Right wing spar top - 1.4460"
Right Center Section top - 1.4315"
difference -.0145"

Right wing spar bottom - 1.4540"
Right Center Section bottom - 1.4365"
difference -.0175"

In all cases the center section is to narrow for the wing spar to fit easily.

This is the only thread I found on this issue.

From reading the previous thread it appears that with .010 to .015 one might be able to massage the wing spar into the center section. But .027 / .037 seem a bit much.

Any thought on this until I can call Van's on Wednesday?

Here's some photos where I measured:



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Old 06-06-2018, 12:14 AM
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Hope Vans can solve your problem.

I really appreciate the heads up on this critical measurement.

Looking at the picture, and having completed this step no more than 5 minutes ago, check there are at least 1 full thread sticking thru the nuts on the front and rear center section spar bolts. It is not clear in your picture, but I had to use an AN960- 10L washer on these, instead of the AN960-10 washer( the thicker version)
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Old 06-06-2018, 08:28 AM
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I'm very interested to hear what Van's has to say on this one. I would think that the spacing is set by the spacers and mainly the side center section plates.
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Old 06-06-2018, 08:53 AM
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Hope Vans can solve your problem.

I really appreciate the heads up on this critical measurement.

Looking at the picture, and having completed this step no more than 5 minutes ago, check there are at least 1 full thread sticking thru the nuts on the front and rear center section spar bolts. It is not clear in your picture, but I had to use an AN960- 10L washer on these, instead of the AN960-10 washer( the thicker version)
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I'm very interested to hear what Van's has to say on this one. I would think that the spacing is set by the spacers and mainly the side center section plates.
I called Van's and they are conferring with Gus and will call back
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:06 AM
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Default Wing Spar Center Section Fit

Not at this stage yet, but when I built, I machined some hard Delrin spacers for the spar carrythrough before I riveted it to the fuselage structure. In my opinion Vans instructions are poor here (I think they mention a wood block). The spacing should have a machined spacer and I think Vans should supply it.

However, this doesn't help you. This also happened to a friend of mine, and Vans recommended de-riveting the skin overlap on the bottom of the fuselage, insert the spars (or machined spacers would probably work)and re-rivet the skin overlap.
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Old 06-06-2018, 12:05 PM
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Default another suggestion

I would also suggest you make sure there is absolutely no debris between the spar's shear web and the spar caps that could be making the spar 'thicker'
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:13 PM
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Thumbs up Van's Called Back

So I heard back from Van's.

They thought the numbers I posted earlier were within the tolerances needed to successfully mount the wings.

Chamfer the spar ends and use a block of wood to lever the center section open a bit and I'm good.

It will be a bit before I'm ready to do that, so I won't be reporting back right away.
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:03 AM
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I believe it will be ok also.
Spray the spar mating areas with a little Corrosion X, they will slide together nicely.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:01 AM
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I believe it will be ok also.
Spray the spar mating areas with a little Corrosion X, they will slide together nicely.
+1 for this and also coat the wing mount bolts. Clean the threads prior to torquing.
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:02 AM
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I believe it will be ok also.
Spray the spar mating areas with a little Corrosion X, they will slide together nicely.
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+1 for this and also coat the wing mount bolts. Clean the threads prior to torquing.
Those sound like excellent ideas...will do!
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