VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Model Specific > RV-10
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #31  
Old 01-25-2017, 07:31 AM
mikeyj350's Avatar
mikeyj350 mikeyj350 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA / USA
Posts: 158
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ppilotmike View Post
Mike,

Are you planning to install the spring bias rudder trim system?
Nope I added an integral trim tab while building the rudder, following much of what Brian Steeves did on his (link here). It runs off a Ray Allen servo inside the rudder, and will be connected to the GSA28 AP servo in very much the same way as the other two axes. I think Garmin's built-in auto trim is brilliant, in that it minimizes the load on the servo by automagically trimming for neutral control pressures (other systems can do this too, but I believe the Garmin is the only one with it built-in).

By all accounts, the spring bias system works great as well, also many people add a piano hinge to the trailing edge of the rudder that is controlled by a servo (easier to retrofit) and that also works great. It all depends on how much time you want to spend, cost-wise I don't think any solution is monumental compared to the many other mods out there.

What got me convinced to add "something" was our local flying RV-10 builder/owner who added rudder trim to his after flying, which made me think it must have been important enough to take it out of commission for a while to make the mod. It seems several people on this forum have also discussed adding rudder trim after the fact as well, so it seemed important enough to spend some time on early on, and if you can integrate it while building the rudder, then why not?

As for the decision to add YD, that's sort of a different mission than the rudder trim. The way I view it, the rudder trim is to make my own life easier, keeping me from having to hold pedal pressure in different flight phases and speeds/configurations/etc; while the YD is to give passengers a more tolerable ride in turbulence by eliminating dutch roll and tail wag, which does seem to occur at least at slower speeds.

Finally, yes the cost of the Garmin YD install kit is extremely high, but with a little creativity you can build your own for a fraction of the cost. I used a reinforced Van's ADAHRS tray (that mounts next to the battery/elevator bellcrank) to mount the servo, and making a "boomerang" actuated by a pushrod from the servo that attaches to the rudder cables via some 18" cables and a home-made cable clamp. I did this by borrowing ideas from both drawings/photos of the Garmin kit, and also some photos of various builders' home-brew YD using TruTrak servos.
__________________
Mike Jimenez & Sarah Hammonds
EAA Chapter 33 Prez & Soc Chair
Marion, IA USA

RV-10 In progress! (N165MJ reserved)
-Emp & Wings complete
-Panel wired up, working on Fuse & Finish
-Blog horribly outdated (sorry)
-Fingers crossed for 2017 flight!

http://mikeandsarahrv10.blogspot.com/
http://www.eaa33.org/
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01-25-2017, 09:25 AM
Strasnuts Strasnuts is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 531
Default Things I would change

760 hours on mine I would have...

Mount the fuel transducer on the firewall not the engine.
Put my wood stiffeners on the back of the main gear from the start.
Install Garmin's YD
Use Cee Baileys plastic for all windows and lenses
Did a better job researching aftermarket stuff from the start instead of getting it from Vans like- front axle, main brakes, tires, door seal, wheel pant to fairing transitions, engine baffle material, etc.



Glad I did....
All the Aerosport Products stuff
PlaneAround stuff
plane innovated stuff
Plasma 111 for the top half
Iridium plugs
Garmin G3X
Desser retreads
GTS800 Traffic
My wife loves the seat heaters. I use them rarely myself

This brings up another problem I've noticed. I installed an Andair fuel selector. I ran some tests at an annual and noticed my engine would keep running at idle with the the Andair fuel selector closed. I noticed it was seeping fuel past the ball valve so I called Andair. They were great and shipped me another one. Problem is I notice the engine can still pull enough through it to idle. I'd like to know if others have this issue.
__________________
A&P RV-10 Flying 850 hours
SuperSTOL Flying 100 hours
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01-25-2017, 09:36 AM
rleffler's Avatar
rleffler rleffler is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Delaware, OH (KDLZ)
Posts: 3,732
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strasnuts View Post
Glad I did....
PlaneAround stuff
Were you able to negotiate some good pricing?
__________________
Bob Leffler
N410BL - RV10 Flying
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-25-2017, 09:53 AM
60av8tor 60av8tor is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Harrisburg, Pa
Posts: 757
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by leok View Post
I will say, backlighting all of my switches (very cool and worth it to me) and then adding color control on a whim (over the top, but cool none the less) , has added a lot of wiring time and some complexity. I would do it again though
Just looked at (and book marked) your build log! Would you happen to have a link to the multi-colored LED strips and switches with the tip LEDs?
__________________
Jon
RV-7A purchased flying - Sold 6/16
RV-10 empennage delivered 1/22/14 (325JT)

Build: http://hhav8or.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 01-25-2017, 09:54 AM
ERushing's Avatar
ERushing ERushing is online now
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Underwood, WA
Posts: 371
Default

Shawn,

I'm curious about the wood stiffeners on the main gear. What issue does this resolve? Your comment is the first I've heard about this addition.

And thanks for shipping all your stuff expeditiously!
__________________
Eric Rushing
RV-10
VS, Rudder, HS, Elevator, Tailcone - Complete
QB Wings - Complete.
QB Fuse - In Process. Tail & Fuse are one.
Molalla, OR
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01-25-2017, 10:01 AM
Mike S's Avatar
Mike S Mike S is offline
Senior Curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 13,703
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ERushing View Post
Shawn,

I'm curious about the wood stiffeners on the main gear. What issue does this resolve? Your comment is the first I've heard about this addition.
Main gear gets into an shaking mode -------- more info http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=114693
__________________
Mike Starkey
VAF 909

Rv-10, N210LM.

Flying as of 12/4/2010

Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011

Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.

"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01-25-2017, 10:03 AM
ERushing's Avatar
ERushing ERushing is online now
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Underwood, WA
Posts: 371
Default

Thanks Mike!!
__________________
Eric Rushing
RV-10
VS, Rudder, HS, Elevator, Tailcone - Complete
QB Wings - Complete.
QB Fuse - In Process. Tail & Fuse are one.
Molalla, OR
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01-25-2017, 05:35 PM
leok leok is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Clarkston, MI
Posts: 187
Default

Add switch link
Quote:
Originally Posted by 60av8tor View Post
Just looked at (and book marked) your build log! Would you happen to have a link to the multi-colored LED strips and switches with the tip LEDs?

Here they are. $19.95 per meter. You can power directly with 12 volts, cut to any length in 2" increments, and dim with a 1000 ohm pot on the power supply line (to dim all colors at once) or each color ground line (to dim each color individually and have any color you want)

https://www.adafruit.com/products/2439

Here is the link for the lighted switches:
https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...311-ND/1048473

Have fun!
__________________
Building my RV-10 since Oct 5th 2014
Flying .. once I figure out how to pay for everything
http://www.mykitlog.com/leok
RV Hotel
Dues paid 2018

Last edited by leok : 01-25-2017 at 05:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 01-26-2017, 08:01 AM
60av8tor 60av8tor is offline
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Harrisburg, Pa
Posts: 757
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by leok View Post
Add switch link


Here they are. $19.95 per meter. You can power directly with 12 volts, cut to any length in 2" increments, and dim with a 1000 ohm pot on the power supply line (to dim all colors at once) or each color ground line (to dim each color individually and have any color you want)

https://www.adafruit.com/products/2439

Here is the link for the lighted switches:
https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...311-ND/1048473

Have fun!
Thank you very much!
__________________
Jon
RV-7A purchased flying - Sold 6/16
RV-10 empennage delivered 1/22/14 (325JT)

Build: http://hhav8or.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 02-15-2017, 08:30 AM
bnovak1220 bnovak1220 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Lynchburg, VA
Posts: 5
Default

Hey guys a couple questions
I'm a few pages away from installing Van's rudder pedal system and I corresponded with Paul with control approach yesterday and he is selling his "RV retro fit Rudder Pedals Upgrade kit" here: www.risseracing.com. Does anyone have experience with these? I have read a number of post about riding the brake ...being an issue with the stock 10 pedals. Do these help with that issue?

Also I was planning on using Aerosport's kit for trim - which Ed said won't work with Paul's RV 10 Rudder Pedal System. Being that these are just a pedal change and not a complete deviation from Van's - will Aerosport's kit still work with them installed?

Do you guys - that like to have rudder trim.... know if Aerosport's kit is a good solution as compared to electric trim?

Last: quote from Dennis "Sound proofing on the interior firewall before installing the brakes and instrument panel." What did you guys use for this? Fire proof? did you install it now at the point I'm at? - working on brake lines

Thanks in Advance!
__________________
-Berkley
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:30 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.