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Old 03-14-2019, 02:24 PM
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Default Demo ride?

I'm shamelessly asking for a demo ride in an RV12.

Long time stalker of this site (even pay dues!) and very interested in the RV12.

I live in Baltimore and was wondering if someone within appropriate flying distance could take me up. I have good availability in the last 2 weeks of March.

I have a PP license and rent out of Martin State.

Still not sure if I want to buy or build. I'm now leaning more towards buying, because I'm tired of renting.

Thanks in advance,
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:29 PM
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I can give you one if you want to come to Cecil County? Probably do you good to get out of Balmer anyway.
It’s going to be for sale soon and it’s a good one.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:41 PM
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Wow, somebody's lucky day...

I bought my 12 from original builder with 48TT. Seller and I live in same state so no personal property or sales taxes needed to be paid. Now have over 400TT on this wonderful flying machine...
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:08 PM
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Wow! That was fast.

No, don't mind the drive at all. Next Wed or Friday would work for me. The week after is wide open, as well.

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Old 03-14-2019, 04:24 PM
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That’s fine. I sent you a pm with my contact info.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:39 PM
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The stick is light and very sensitive/touchy. As in it takes very little input with your fingertips, if your hand is resting on your leg, to make major changes.

You want smooth glassy air to fly it in, the wings are loaded at maybe 10 to 11 lbs per sq ft of wing surface. Moderate turbulence will bounce and spin you around pretty good, it's a very light, slippery aircraft.

Sometimes, it's very hard to get it to come down to land, without slipping the plane with flaperons down 1 or 2 notches on the Johnson bar.

The landing gear is light, don't beat it up, falling out of the sky. Use some excess speed, and the runway to bleed off excessive energy, if enough runway is left. 60 MPH has been working well for me, but I'm a student. I like soft landings.

There's very good suggestions here: http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=153887
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:49 PM
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I can give you one if you want to come to Cecil County? Probably do you good to get out of Balmer anyway.
It’s going to be for sale soon and it’s a good one.
Jeff, Dave is a good guy, 2nd RV12 and both are well built. If you end up buying his you would not go wrong and ask him to throw in the transition training needed for your insurance. Have fun flying with him.
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:20 PM
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The stick is light and very sensitive/touchy. As in it takes very little input with your fingertips, if your hand is resting on your leg, to make major changes.

You want smooth glassy air to fly it in, the wings are loaded at maybe 10 to 11 lbs per sq ft of wing surface. Moderate turbulence will bounce and spin you around pretty good, it's a very light, slippery aircraft.

Sometimes, it's very hard to get it to come down to land, without slipping the plane with flaperons down 1 or 2 notches on the Johnson bar.

The landing gear is light, don't beat it up, falling out of the sky. Use some excess speed, and the runway to bleed off excessive energy, if enough runway is left. 60 MPH has been working well for me, but I'm a student. I like soft landings.

There's very good suggestions here: http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=153887
Hopefully there will be posts by others that have flown an RV-12 a lot because it is likely that they don't fully agree with the above.....

I don't find it touchy... I would call it responsive (like driving a sportier car compared to a 1/2 ton pick-up)

Moderate turbulence will make the rid uncomfortable in most any light general aviation aircraft. yes it has light wing loading (all LSA's do by definition, to meet LSA performance requirements). I have no problem flying one on most any day that I would be willing to fly any other lighter single engine gen av airplane.

An RV-12 comes down just fine when flown properly.

Touching down at 60? Knots?
Then my suggestion would be that you search for a different instructor.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:11 PM
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Scott I agree with you +1
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:39 PM
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From my October 19, 2009post:

“Flew N412RV
On Thursday, the 6th of August at about 2:30, Ken Scott of Van’s took me up for a demo flight in N412RV.

For the record, my pilot experience is rather limited, (less than 100 hr – mainly Cessna’s), dated (soloed in 1983), and my last stick time was over a year ago in a TH-67. My goal is to have a fun aircraft that I would be comfortable with my kids using it to learn to fly. Talking with Van, reading the Sport Aviation and Kit Planes articles in addition to all the pilot reports here on VAF, all indicated that the 12 would be a good candidate for this mission. Reading and listening is however not experiencing. Would responsive be another word for twitchy? Would light weight be another way of saying flimsy? Would low fuel consumption translate to poor performance? After failing to get rides at Sun N Fun for the past two years (yes I do act slowly), I made the trip out to Oregon for the ride (and also for a family wedding celebration).

The day was overcast with some bumpiness. The fit (i.e. room inside) was better than a 172. By my calculation, the aircraft was near its max gross weight of 1320, and a significant portion of useful load was from the people in it – we would not have fit in a 150. Take-off was with partial flaps. I can’t estimate the amount of runway used in feet, but it was ‘not very much’. The VSI on the Dynon indicated 900 feet per minute with flaps up. Impressive. Forward visibility was good in the climb. The aircraft felt steady and solid despite the bumpiness – not flimsy. We leveled off below the clouds at about 2000 ft msl and with a little less than full throttle (didn’t get the number) the airspeed settled at a comfortable 110 KIAS. Again exactly what has been previously reported. The view out was outstanding. Began feeling out the controls; it was simply amazing. The aircraft moved with the stick with very very very little delay from stick input to aircraft response and the aircraft’s response was totally proportionate to the amount of input. Tiny stick movement (pitch and roll) equaled slow aircraft movement (technically acceleration but that is for another day fellow gearheads). Large stick movement equaled fast aircraft movement. Center the controls and everything stops - now. Not twitchy at all. I think this would be great for my kids and me. The lack of delay between the input and the aircraft’s action made it very easy to be in synch, which in turn made it easy to control but without being boring. So that is what the difference is between responsive and twitchy: prompt proportionate controls. Who knew? Rudder? Same way. Low speed (i.e. stall horn blaring) retained the responsiveness of the controls but appeared (Ken flew this segment) to require more input for the same rate with the maximum rate being correspondingly reduced but still substantial. Stall was unexciting. Landing was unexciting. Roll out was again ‘not very much’.

In short, my experience was just like what everyone else has reported. The only difference is that, for me, it was in first person. Now if I can just get over thinking about the $60K. That’s right, it is an investment not an expense. Yes, that is definitely it.

Dave”

I subedequently began RV12 120500, and am currently working on Section 32 at 2R4. A lot of life has gotten in the way.

So +1 to Scott’s comments

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