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Old 12-01-2013, 07:11 PM
bpattonsoa bpattonsoa is offline
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Default Outboard mid Seat bracket

Are there any -10s flying with four bolts in the outboard mid seat bracket? Especially the rear outboard bolt?

Thee other three are the worst in the airplane to date, even with the bolt in from the bottom. The last SOB won't go in that way and I am not sure a nut will fit in that #%|\#% corner.

As a Licensed Engineer I am about ready to declare that bolt as part of my structural margin and leave it in the box!
Bruce Patton
Rans S-20 Raven 796S Now flying (slowly)
RV-6A 596S flying since '99 (Sold)
HP-18 5596S flying since '89
RV-10 996S flying since 2-2014, quick build wing and slow build fues., - dual Skyviews with complete system, two radio and not much else. Interior completely finished with Zolatone. CF plenum. 1624 lbs, FLYING after a 21.5 month build.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:13 PM
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I could not get those bolts in, but my wife (with her much smaller and more flexible hands ) was able to do so.

They are a PITA for sure
Mike Starkey
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Rv-10, N210LM.

Flying as of 12/4/2010

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Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.

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Old 12-01-2013, 07:20 PM
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It will fit and I would recommend that you put it in. Like Mike say's, small hands are a help. IIRC, I super glued the washer to the nut, then taped that to a welding wire I bent to get it started. Took me about 3-4 hours to get both sides done and tightened.
David C.
Howell, MI

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Old 12-01-2013, 07:27 PM
eric.kallio eric.kallio is offline
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Default A real PITA

Been quite awhile since I did it but this was a task that stood out and I still remember a little about it. I used a couple dabs of RTV to secure the washer to the nut. Then put a piece of tape over one side of a combination wrench. The nut/washer was then held into the wrench while I twisted, turned, and basically deformed my arm to reach the bolt. It worked, but I still had to tighten the bolt head and not the nut so I secured it backwards, but I am willing to accept that.

Eric Kallio
N518RV... Flying

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Old 12-01-2013, 08:09 PM
N427EF N427EF is offline
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Default Lot o' cussing!

Sorry to say, those bolts stretched my vocabulary to the limit where I not on
recited profanity in 2 languages and added the words that I had not yet learned just to be sure the episode was not understated.
Some combination of what has been said worked in the end and now I really enjoy those seats.
Good luck!
Ernst Freitag
RV-8 finished (sold)
RV-10 Flyer 400 plus hours
Over 2500 Gallons of E10 mogas burned
Don't believe everything you know.
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:48 PM
Jackm Jackm is offline
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Default Just completed a day ago

Sorry...found them a bit of a challenge but not bad at all...Lift each bolt up, slide nut and washer in place and drop bolt down and thread bolt into nut. Tighten with offset wrench and stubby 1/4 inch drive from top. Happy Happy
Jack Maljaars
N819DJ flying. 350hrs +
Dues 2015 pd
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Old 12-01-2013, 10:39 PM
BobTurner BobTurner is offline
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Challenging but I got all four in.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:05 PM
Wayne Gillispie Wayne Gillispie is offline
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Was this before or after the doors. That is the only problem area that I can recall.
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:44 AM
kiwipete kiwipete is offline
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Default Magnet

Another option is to hold the washer and nut in place is to put a small magnet on the bolt head. The washer and nut will then be drawn onto the bolt. Works well.
Or I use my magnet on the end of my inspection mirror to hold the washer and nut and then position into place.
I'm lucky I have small hands. But enlisting some help from a younger person is not a bad idea.
I remember reading the horror stories but guess I was lucky and each one only took a few minutes.

Good luck

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RV10 Finishing
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:43 PM
Flandy10 Flandy10 is offline
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Default Outboard mid seat rail support

One suggestion-- before tightening down the bolts, check that the seat rail holes line up correctly with the support in place.

I had both supports in place for awhile and then found out that despite being CAD designed, they did NOT line up with the seat rails . If you think putting them in is a PITA, try taking them out to fix them and reinstalling them TWICE . And yes, I had installed them correctly. My initial installation was checked and verified by a repeat Rv-10 builder and local DAR.

My solution was to slot the support mounting holes and trim off the entire back flange for clearance off the main spar bolts.
Scott Flandermeyer
Rv-10 TDI 245+ hrs
Fayettevile, GA

2019 VAF Donation complete
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