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Old 01-09-2011, 02:27 PM
cbrown747 cbrown747 is offline
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Default project toolbox kit ??

I have looked at the forums for comments about the toolbox and did not find the answer I was looking for so i thought I would try it here. I am wondering if I got all the componets needed to do this kit.

I received this kit as a gift from my financee and she also bought tools from cleaveland tool co.. They told her that all I needed was included.

Well I got the rivet gun without the compressor, so I will have to work on that, but my question is this:

I received 3 bags of clecos in that are marked cl-332 and cl-175. On the second instruction it says to cleco both ends of the toolbox. The problem is the cleco does not fit in the holes at the ends. Why are the holes bigger on the body (side) than at the end. The clecos fit nicely on the sides.

Was I suppose to get smaller clecos for the side? The instructions do not identify which cleco to use.

It would be nice if cleaveland tools would have done a better job of identifying each piece along with some instruction to how the componets fit on some of the tools.

Does anybody have some advice on this? I have both the toolkit and the airfoil kit, so I am eager to get both of these done before I order the empennage kit. Thanks for any assistance.
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Old 01-09-2011, 02:41 PM
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The silver clecos are 3/32" and fit #40 sized holes for the AN426AD3-x or AN 470AD3-x sized rivets. The copper colored clecos are 1/8" for #30 sized holes for 4-x sized rivets.

For the tool box, my guess is Van's called out the different sizes simply to give builders practice working with both sizes.
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Old 01-09-2011, 02:49 PM
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Default Is the kit a Vans Toolbox/Airfoil Practice kit?

If so, you will see in this link, a description of the toolbox assembly. Silver colored clecoes are for AN3 rivets (3/32). Those prepunched holes are usually slightly smaller (#41 drill size) to start and while the clecos fit, you would put parts together and drill them with #40 bit to final size before deburring and riveting and/or dimpling the holes. The copper colored clecoes are for AN4 rivets (1/8"). Those holes are also predrilled to the smaller #41 size for starters, but you final drill those holes to #30 drill bit size which will fit the copper colored clecoes just fine.

Most holes start undersized at #41 and get enlarged by you to the proper size. Hope that helps. You must learn to read the plans carefully because they are designed to catch you if you don't. You'll wind up putting a 470 (non-flush) in a place where 426 (flush) types are called for. Its only practice. Make a mistake? Get some practice drilling out rivets or undimpling holes that weren't supposed to get dimpled, etc...
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:35 PM
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The plans say to line up the hinge in the body with the top of the rear edge, but make sure you are gonna get min edge distance before you match drill the hinge holes!

If not you may find yourself "upgrading' to a different hinge from the hardware store!
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:11 PM
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thanks for the replies, but want to follow up with one quick question.
Is everybody suggesting that I may have to enlarge the holes on the ends to allow the clecos to fit?

I hope the empennage kit instructions are far more explicit than this practice kit.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:56 PM
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Default Check the plans to see which rivets are called for...

If the plans show you need for example AN426AD3-3 rivets, you will drill #40 and use silver clecoes. If the plans show you need for example AN470AD4-3 rivets you will drill #30 and use copper colored clecoes. Get accustomed to really reading the plans over and over, and looking ahead to see how the pieces share the same space. The further into building you get, the plans assume you know a certain level of knowledge and they don't go into as much detail in words. It's not hard, its just confusing at times. Thank goodness the for VAF board and some others to help answer questions. Hooking up with other builders will be a godsend to you as well.
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:31 PM
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I just got my empennage for christmas and I have previously built the tool box kit and the practice kit (small wing like structure). I think the practice kit is much more helpful. I actually ordered a second one to practice on before I got into the more expensive parts. The first one didn't turn out perfect . The practice kit comes with a more complete set of instructions on the basics of metal prep. These are pretty cheap so I would suggest you order one if you are considering going further.

You might also want to consider taking one of the EAA sheet metal classes. That should at least get you started with the very basics of how all of this stuff goes together. Its not difficult but its different than probably anything else you've done before.

I'm still a beginner but all of these things did help me make the decision that I could indeed build a plane, and I liked doing the work.
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